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syflysun1
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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:03 am 
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I encountered several "with" in OG. I am confused when and how to use "with." Sometimes it uses that clause, sometimes it uses "with."

But in mggmat, you only gave one example sentence about "with." Could you explain more on "with"?

Also, for these sentences, which one is right, better? I know the first one is right.
The lions growled, With their fur standing on end.

1>The lions With their fur standing on end growled.
2>The lions that their fur was standing on end growled.
3>The lions whose fur was standing on end growled.


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Kweku.Amoako
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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:32 pm 
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this question is more about meaning than it is about grammar

The lions growled, With their fur standing on end : this described the manner in which the lions growled (which I'm sure was implied)

The lions With their fur standing on end growled : this implies only the lions with fut standing growled

I guess use of "with" and "that" should be determined by the logic of the sentence
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syflysun1
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 Post Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 9:28 am 
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Since some banks have to use short-term deposits to finance long-term fixed-rate mortgage loans in current crisis, they sometimes lose money when there is a rise in short-term rates and, on the other hand, they are unable to raise the rates on their mortgages.
(a) when short-term rates rise and they are unable to raise
(b) with a rise in short-term rates, and they are unable to raise

OA: a

Here, another "with!" I choose a. But why b is incorrect because of "with?"


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syflysun1
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 Post Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 2:39 am 
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One more questions with "WITH" :
Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.
(B)Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(D)Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
OA: Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

i always confused on this typical "WITH" questions. Please help me out.

EDITED: I deleted your post below as instructors answer the oldest posts first. Bumping up a post will only make getting an answer take longer! - Brie Truesdell, studentservices@manhattangmat.com
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RonPurewal
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 Post Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:10 am 
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Kweku.Amoako wrote:
this question is more about meaning than it is about grammar

The lions growled, With their fur standing on end : this described the manner in which the lions growled (which I'm sure was implied)

The lions With their fur standing on end growled : this implies only the lions with fut standing growled


this is a good analysis.
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RonPurewal
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 Post Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:13 am 
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syflysun1 wrote:
Since some banks have to use short-term deposits to finance long-term fixed-rate mortgage loans in current crisis, they sometimes lose money when there is a rise in short-term rates and, on the other hand, they are unable to raise the rates on their mortgages.
(a) when short-term rates rise and they are unable to raise
(b) with a rise in short-term rates, and they are unable to raise

OA: a

Here, another "with!" I choose a. But why b is incorrect because of "with?"


hmm.
what's the source of this problem?

(b) is certainly more awkward than (a), but i'm not sure whether it's sufficiently wrong to qualify as a wrong answer. is there a problem elsewhere in the sentence?
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RonPurewal
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 Post Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 10:16 am 
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syflysun1 wrote:
One more questions with "WITH" :
Unlike transplants between identical twins, whose genetic endowment is the same, all patients receiving hearts or other organs must take antirejection drugs for the rest of their lives.
(B)Besides transplants involving identical twins with the same genetic endowment
(D)Aside from a transplant between identical twins with the same genetic endowment
OA: Unless the transplant involves identical twins who have the same genetic endowment

i always confused on this typical "WITH" questions. Please help me out.



the "with" is not the problem here. in this sentence, the problem is the nonparallel comparison in (b) and (d).

both (b) and (d) compare transplants (a procedure) with patients. that's an invalid comparison. (note that "besides" and "aside from" are transition words that create comparisons, and that comparisons must be parallel.)

"twins with the same genetic endowment" is ok, although it's redundant (all identical twins have the same genes).
also, is there a comma before "who" in the correct answer? if not, there should be (all identical twins have the same genes, so this choice should use a nonessential modifier set off by commas).
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