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bibhas.mondal
 Post subject: What if the question were a little different?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:11 am 
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Bill has a small deck of 12 playing cards made up of only 2 suits of 6 cards each. Each of the 6 cards within a suit has a different value from 1 to 6; thus, for each value from 1 to 6, there are two cards in the deck with that value. Bill likes to play a game in which he shuffles the deck, turns over 4 cards, and looks for pairs of cards that have the same value. What is the chance that Bill finds exactly two pair of cards that have the same value?
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gokul_nair1984
 Post subject: Re: What if the question were a little different?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:45 am 
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bibhas.mondal wrote:
Bill has a small deck of 12 playing cards made up of only 2 suits of 6 cards each. Each of the 6 cards within a suit has a different value from 1 to 6; thus, for each value from 1 to 6, there are two cards in the deck with that value. Bill likes to play a game in which he shuffles the deck, turns over 4 cards, and looks for pairs of cards that have the same value. What is the chance that Bill finds exactly two pair of cards that have the same value?


--What is the chance that Bill finds exactly two pair of cards that have the same value?--I understand that this is the part you changed.

Probability of choosing 4 cards out of 12= 12C4=495(This will be our denominator)

To find exactly 2 pairs:
Let the numbers be
1 2 3 4 5 6
1 2 3 4 5 6--------Let our case be a 3,3 and 5,5...

This can be done in the following manner,

Choosing 2 pairs out of 6 pairs: 6C2=30. Now divide this by 2! to avoid redundant pairs. ie;3,3,5,5 is the same as 5,5,3,3.
So 30/2=15
Therefore total probability of getting exactly 2 pairs:
15/495 =1/33

Makes Sense?
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bibhas.mondal
 Post subject: Re: What if the question were a little different?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:22 am 
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Thanks Gokul. I reached the same answer but you reasoning "Now divide this by 2! to avoid redundant pairs. ie;3,3,5,5 is the same as 5,5,3,3.
So 30/2=15
" is not clear to me. I thought the answer would be 6C2/12C4 = 15/495=1/33.
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gokul_nair1984
 Post subject: Re: What if the question were a little different?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:30 am 
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bibhas.mondal wrote:
Thanks Gokul. I reached the same answer but you reasoning "Now divide this by 2! to avoid redundant pairs. ie;3,3,5,5 is the same as 5,5,3,3.
So 30/2=15
" is not clear to me. I thought the answer would be 6C2/12C4 = 15/495=1/33.


Sorry, there! I was thinking slot method but finally ended up with Combinations. Ya it should be 6C2/495. I was also analysing the slot method for selecting two pairs out of six. First can be chosen in 6 ways and the next in 5 ways.There you have to divide it by two 6*1*5*1/2!(due to repetition)
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rajivbhatia2007
 Post subject: Re: What if the question were a little different?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 11:45 am 
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I did this question a different way and also got 1/33.

In the game, Bills picks four cards. For him to get two pairs:

First he picks up a card: Prob: 12/12 = 1

The second card must match the previous card or could be a new card, so imagine two branches of the probability tree with top and bottom branches:
top: 1/11 (matching previous card)
bottom 10/11 (another card)


For the third card:
top: prob: 10/10 = 1 (one pair made, bill picks up a new card)
bottom: prob: 2/10 (must match one of the two previous cards)

For the fourth card:
top: prob: 1/9 (must match the previous card)
bottom: prob: 1/9 (must match the one card that is not in the pair already).

Thus,
probability of top branch route = 1 x 1/11 x 1 x 1/9 = 1/99

probability of bottom branch route = 1 x 10/11 x 2/10 x 1/9 = 2/99

Adding both probability, we get 3/99 = 1/33

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bibhas.mondal
 Post subject: Re: What if the question were a little different?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:50 pm 
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Thanks Rajiv. Great alternative explanation.
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tim
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 Post Posted: Fri Oct 08, 2010 1:31 am 
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