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rschunti
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Post subject: Unlike many United States cities, where a river is no longer Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:44 pm |
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Unlike many United States cities, where a river is no longer the focal point of urban life, the river in San Antonio winds through the middle of the business district, and the River Walk, or Pasco del Rio, is the city's most popular attraction.
A) Unlike many United States cities, where a river is no longer the focal point of urban life, the river in San Antonio
B) Unlike the river in many cities in the United Stated, which is no longer the local point of urban life, in San Antonio the river
C)Today the river in many cities in the United States is no longer the focal point of urban life, unlike San Antonio, where it
D) In few United States cities today, a river is the focal point of urban life, but the river in San Antonio
E) No longer do many cities in United States have a river as the focal point of urban life, but in San Antonio the river
What is the reason OA "E" is correct. What are the errors in all the other choices?
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:02 am |
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the correct answer here is still pretty ugly, so let's criticize the four incorrect choices.
choice a:
faulty comparison:
'unlike many u.s. cities, ... the river in san antonio...' --> can't compare cities to a river
choice b:
comparison isn't so good:
the second part should start directly with 'the river' (instead of 'in san antonio the river...'), so that the comparison is more clear.
much more importantly, poor use of the relative pronoun 'which':
'...cities in the united states, which is no longer the focal point...'
relative pronouns like which, by default, refer to the noun that's closest to the left, which in this case is the united states. therefore, this relative pronoun is used in a way that's either ambiguous (if you allow it to potentially refer to other nouns) or just plain wrong (if you follow the rule strictly).
choice c:
faulty comparison again
'the river...' is being compared to san antonio.
choice d:
drastic change in meaning
this sentence has completely gotten rid of any reference to the concept of 'no longer'. while all the other sentences say that things have changed, this sentence presents the situation as if it's always been that way.
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enginpasa1
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Post subject: meaning Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:08 am |
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I notice that I am always missing points to meaning distortions.. I cannot spot them as much as i need to. Can you show any pointers?
Also isnt E very very concise and clean?
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StaceyKoprince
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:57 pm |
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Concision should be used ONLY as a tiebreak when you have no other grammar or meaning issues you can handle. Don't pick something just because it's shorter than the rest!
The distortion of meaning issue is a very difficult one - most people struggle with this. We just have to be very careful to maintain the meaning of the original sentence, which means making sure you understand the original intent and making sure that that intent is maintained in whatever you choose at the end.
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Steve66
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:26 am |
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(deleted - you can't quote o.g. problems here. check the banned sources list in the sticky!)
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Steve66
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 12:02 pm |
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Sorry, I did not notice that announcement.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:34 am |
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Thanks in advance for following our guidelines.
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:59 am |
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In few United States cities today, a river is the focal point of urban life, but the river in San Antonio [i]
doesn't the highlighted word suggest that the the river was the focal point at earlier..
also..in general is the placement of "today" fine in this sentence.. ??
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 2:48 am |
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Guest660 wrote: In few United States cities today, a river is the focal point of urban life, but the river in San Antonio
doesn't the highlighted word suggest that the the river was the focal point at earlier.. also..in general is the placement of "today" fine in this sentence.. ??
Help i think the placement of "today" in that sentence is a bit awkward, but i wouldn't necessarily call it wrong. you have a good point about the word "today" suggesting that there were once more such cities. however, there's still a big distinction between the meaning of this sentence and the meaning of the original (which is the same as the meaning of choice e): the original (like choice e) specifically goes so far as to say that there were once MANY american cities in which a river was the focal point of urban life. so, even though (d) does [i]suggest that there were once more such cities, it stops well short of saying/implying that there were once MANY such cities.
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Post subject: Re: Unlike many United States cities, where a river is no longer Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:37 am |
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Hi, Ron
I was told that the meaning of "few" almost equals to "No". According to my understanding, the phrase in Choice D In few cities in the United States conveys the meaning that rivers are no longer in the cities of United States, but a river still exist in San Antonio, thus illogically expressing that San Antonio is not a state of USA.
Is it right ?
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Post subject: Re: Unlike many United States cities, where a river is no longer Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:07 pm |
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No, "few" means "few," not "no." I'm not sure where you picked that up, but be careful. "Few" actually implies some small positive amount.
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Post subject: Re: Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:09 am |
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RonPurewal wrote: Guest660 wrote: In few United States cities today, a river is the focal point of urban life, but the river in San Antonio
doesn't the highlighted word suggest that the the river was the focal point at earlier.. also..in general is the placement of "today" fine in this sentence.. ??
Help i think the placement of "today" in that sentence is a bit awkward, but i wouldn't necessarily call it wrong. you have a good point about the word "today" suggesting that there were once more such cities. however, there's still a big distinction between the meaning of this sentence and the meaning of the original (which is the same as the meaning of choice e): the original (like choice e) specifically goes so far as to say that there were once MANY american cities in which a river was the focal point of urban life. so, even though (d) does [i]suggest that there were once more such cities, it stops well short of saying/implying that there were once MANY such cities. The major problem in the option D that we all missed: " But "is used when two clauses are saying similar thing ....that river is a focal point of the city. D) In few United States cities today, a river is the focal point of urban life, but the river in San Antonio winds through the middle of the business district, and the River Walk, or Pasco del Rio, is the city's most popular attraction.
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Post subject: Re: Re: Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 9:42 am |
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rohit21384 wrote: The major problem in the option D that we all missed: "But "is used when two clauses are saying similar thing ....that river is a focal point of the city. no, (d) still features a contrast. that choice says that few cities feature a river as their focal point. if (d) said "many" (rather than "few"), then "but" would be inappropriate; however, "but" makes perfect sense in this context. see above for what is actually wrong with that choice.
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Post subject: Re: Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:02 am |
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I go agree. But what kind of subject in E is. I am bit confused on "No longer do many cities in United States," and it takes plural verb because sense of the subject is "many cities". I really want to explore the placement of verb based on what subject in such phrase. StaceyKoprince wrote: Concision should be used ONLY as a tiebreak when you have no other grammar or meaning issues you can handle. Don't pick something just because it's shorter than the rest!
The distortion of meaning issue is a very difficult one - most people struggle with this. We just have to be very careful to maintain the meaning of the original sentence, which means making sure you understand the original intent and making sure that that intent is maintained in whatever you choose at the end.
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Post subject: Re: Re: Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:13 am |
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akhpad wrote: I go agree.
But what kind of subject in E is. I am bit confused on "No longer do many cities in United States," and it takes plural verb because sense of the subject is "many cities". I really want to explore the placement of verb based on what subject in such phrase. i have absolutely no idea how to describe this phenomenon with grammatical terms, so i'll illustrate with examples. No longer do many cities in United States have a river as the focal point of urban life... is grammatically equivalent to ... Many cities in United States no longer have a river as the focal point of urban lifealso Only yesterday were we told about the layoffs... is equivalent to ... We were told about the layoffs only yesterdaythe primary difference between the examples in each pair is rhetorical. in particular, the first one in each pair -- the one that places the adverb (only yesterday, no longer) in front -- would be written that way in order to emphasize the meaning of that adverb. from the standpoint of grammar, there is essentially no difference.
_________________ Being well-dressed gives a feeling of inward tranquillity [that] religion is powerless to bestow. C.F. Forbes
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