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gmat_s
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Post subject: Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage  Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:22 am |
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Source GMAT prep 1:
Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage they are taken in large quantities in order to treast particular maladies
a) Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage they are taken
b) Unlike spices that are used in cooking, in using spices for medicine, they are taken
c) Unlike cooking with spices, taking spices for medicinal use is done
d) In cooking, small quntities of spices are used, whereas in medicinal usage spices are taken
e) In cooking, the usage of spices is in small quantities,whereas in medicinal usage they are taken
Why is E not the correct Ans?
How is comparison parallel in D?
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Guest79
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:26 pm |
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In (D) - '...spices are used' and 'spices are taken' are parallel.
In (E) - '.. 'the usage of spices is small quantities' and '..in medical usage they are taken' are not parallel.
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bandy boy
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:34 pm |
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Tutor Pls give your perspective here.
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:50 am |
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choice e literally says that the usage of spices is 'in small quantities', which is not the proper message. this could mean that you don't use spices very often, but, when you do, you dump 14 kilos of allspice and 12 kilos of paprika in your pan.
the sentence needs to convey the message that the spices are the things of which quantities are small. choice d conveys this message well.
one could say that d isn't 100% parallel, but it's definitely more parallel than the other choices: in cooking, (noun) is used (passive voice construction); in medicinal usage, (noun) are taken (passive voice construction).
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:35 am |
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is there a faulty comparison in choice C?
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:56 pm |
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Not quite. The comparison is cooking vs. taking: cooking spices vs. taking spices (for medicinal use). That's okay. The issue is that we can't say "taking spices is done in large quantities..."
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vanD
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Post subject: "they" ambiguous Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:30 pm |
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in E, they has no clear referant... "spices" or "small quantities"?
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: "they" ambiguous Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:56 am |
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vanD wrote: in E, they has no clear referant... "spices" or "small quantities"?
you have a point, but sometimes there are official questions in which the correct answers actually exhibit a similar pattern of seeming ambiguity. for instance, check out this thread. in the correct answer, which is e, 'their' could technically refer to indications, cycles, or trees - but gmac doesn't regard this as a problem.
unfortunately, we're still working to nail down the exact situations in which ambiguity becomes, well, ambiguous. sigh...
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Post subject: pls clarify this Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:49 pm |
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In choice "e" why this sentence "the usage of spices is in small quantities" does not mean that the usage of spices are always is in small quantities when cooking? Why it need to be interpreted as you have mentioned " this could mean that you don't use spices very often, but, when you do, you dump 14 kilos of allspice and 12 kilos of paprika in your pan."? What is the "ambiguity/violation of grammer rule" that is making this sentence mean like what you have mentioned?
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: pls clarify this Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:41 am |
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rschunti wrote: In choice "e" why this sentence "the usage of spices is in small quantities" does not mean that the usage of spices are always is in small quantities when cooking?
well, that's exactly the problem.
you need to strip down the sentence, to see exactly what single word is being described as 'in small quantities'. if you eliminate the prepositional phrase 'of spices', which just serves as an adjective in this sentence, you have the following:
[i]the usage ... is in small quantities'
that's wrong, because it's not the usage that's in small quantities; it's the spices themselves. (the sentence allows the possibility that the spices are used all the time - as long as the quantities are small.)
you need to have a sentence that correctly indicates that the spices are what's 'in small quantities'.
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sanj
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Post subject: Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:03 am |
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Guest79 wrote: In (D) - '...spices are used' and 'spices are taken' are parallel.
In (E) - '.. 'the usage of spices is small quantities' and '..in medical usage they are taken' are not parallel.
apart from this 'they' in E has no refferent.
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Guest
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Post subject: Re: Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:43 am |
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gmat_s wrote: Source GMAT prep 1:
Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage they are taken in large quantities in order to treast particular maladies
a) Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage they are taken
>> The comparision is not clear.
b) Unlike spices that are used in cooking, in using spices for medicine, they are taken
>> Invalid comparision compares spices in cooking to how spices are taken for medicine.
c) Unlike cooking with spices, taking spices for medicinal use is done
>>Invalid comparision. compares cooking with spices to taking spices.
d) In cooking, small quntities of spices are used, whereas in medicinal usage spices are taken
e) In cooking, the usage of spices is in small quantities,whereas in medicinal usage they are taken
>> Not parallel.
Why is E not the correct Ans?
How is comparison parallel in D?
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:50 am |
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Anonymous wrote: gmat_s wrote: Source GMAT prep 1:
Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage they are taken in large quantities in order to treast particular maladies
a) Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage they are taken
>> The comparision is not clear.
b) Unlike spices that are used in cooking, in using spices for medicine, they are taken
>> Invalid comparision compares spices in cooking to how spices are taken for medicine.
c) Unlike cooking with spices, taking spices for medicinal use is done
>>Invalid comparision. compares cooking with spices to taking spices.
d) In cooking, small quntities of spices are used, whereas in medicinal usage spices are taken
e) In cooking, the usage of spices is in small quantities,whereas in medicinal usage they are taken
>> Not parallel.
Why is E not the correct Ans?
How is comparison parallel in D? is this a question? if so, i'm not sure what you're trying to ask; please state your question explicitly.
thank you.
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Post subject: Re: Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:30 pm |
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in E, can the pronoun THEY refer to a noun inside a preposition phrase such as "of spices" and "in small quantities".
I thought that any pronoun whose function is as subject ("they are taken....") could refer to a noun whose position is a prepositional phrase.
Please, let me know if it is correct.
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: Unlike using spices for cooking, in medicinal usage Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:05 am |
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cesar.rodriguez.blanco wrote: in E, can the pronoun THEY refer to a noun inside a preposition phrase such as "of spices" and "in small quantities". it probably can, provided that there's no possible referent with better parallelism. i.e., if "they" is the subject, and there's an eligible plural noun as the subject of the other clause, then that subject will automatically be the preferred referent for the pronoun (because it's parallel to the pronoun). example: the small vignettes appearing in the plays are unrepresentative of real-life situations, but they...here, "they" will automatically refer to "vignettes" - NOT "plays" - because it's parallel to "vignettes" (both are subjects of their respective clauses). that's not the case here, so you're probably ok. however, there's still the problem of ambiguity - you can't tell whether "they" is "spices" or "small quantities". worse yet, both of these are in exactly the same grammatical position (i.e., object of prep), so this is a big problem.
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