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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:29 pm 
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pras1387 wrote:
Hi everyone,
Just to add on , For eliminating option D can we say its a fragment.
because the sentence construction is
(Independent clause-1),example (independent clause-2)
In option d, The independent clause-2 is actually not independent or standalone.


no.
grammatically that's fine; "when" is a subordinating conjunction.


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:50 am 
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why can not choose B, in meaning, I think B is clear too


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:00 am 
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saintjingjing wrote:
why can not choose B, in meaning, I think B is clear too


"having" + "was ineffective" doesn't make sense.

"having" adopts the same timeframe as the rest of the sentence -- which is the present (we can discern this by noticing that the sentence is talking about patients who do not respond). however, "was ineffective" seems to suggest that the prescription was ineffective sometime in the past.
taken together, these two contexts seem to indicate that the patient is, for some reason, holding onto an old prescription that was ineffective.


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:00 pm 
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RonPurewal wrote:
saintjingjing wrote:
why can not choose B, in meaning, I think B is clear too


"having" + "was ineffective" doesn't make sense.

"having" adopts the same timeframe as the rest of the sentence -- which is the present (we can discern this by noticing that the sentence is talking about patients who do not respond). however, "was ineffective" seems to suggest that the prescription was ineffective sometime in the past.
taken together, these two contexts seem to indicate that the patient is, for some reason, holding onto an old prescription that was ineffective.


hi Ron

I unserstand that "having" adopts the same timeframe as the rest of the sentence, but the main clause is that " some patients who..... may have received....", in this case the verb tense is in simple past rather than present, isn't it?


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:57 am 
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xingym wrote:
I unserstand that "having" adopts the same timeframe as the rest of the sentence, but the main clause is that " some patients who..... may have received....", in this case the verb tense is in simple past rather than present, isn't it?


“may have received” is written in the present perfect tense. the present perfect describes (usually recent) past events, but is written from the standpoint of the present. in fact, that is why it's called the "present perfect".
so, the ambient timeframe of that clause is the president.


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:10 am 
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I have a question. Ron, manhantan experts, pls, help

I meet him when learning English

is not acceptable on gmat.

learning English, I meet hem

is acceptable on gmat.

Is that thing right?

I see a following question in og 10, in which e is refused. Reason for refusion possibly is not PREPOSITION DOING BEHIDE, not "when willing" behide.

[deleted because problem is from a banned source - see below]


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:23 pm 
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OG is a banned source; it is illegal to post OG questions anywhere on the web. If you are in one of our classes, please ask OG questions during office hours or before/after class..

Not only can we not discuss details of OG10 questions, but you also did not make it clear how that question related to the larger discussion..

As for your example sentences, they are both wrong, but possibly for reasons other than the topic you're intending to discuss. I can't tell actually, because you haven't really made it clear what you're trying to discuss. Please take another look at what you were trying to write, make it clear what you are asking, and be sure to use correct grammar in your post so we can understand what you are trying to ask about..

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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:38 am 
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i still don't understand why D is wrong outside of just akwardness

D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were

have been and were seem to be parallel on the surface, two people including an instructor said claimed not parallel. what is not parallel then?

is it because

"have been prescribed" <--- still prescribed, present perfect
"were taken off a drug" <-- simple past, perhaps they got back on the drug later? have been taken off would indicate they are still off

thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Some patients who do not respond
 Post Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:35 am 
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davetzulin wrote:
i still don't understand why D is wrong outside of just akwardness

D -- when they have, for example, been prescribed too low a drug dosage for it to be effective, or were

have been and were seem to be parallel on the surface, two people including an instructor said claimed not parallel. what is not parallel then?

is it because

"have been prescribed" <--- still prescribed, present perfect
"were taken off a drug" <-- simple past, perhaps they got back on the drug later? have been taken off would indicate they are still off

thanks


these are two possible causes of the same thing, considered in the same timeframe, so they should appear in the same tense.
when things are simple, it's imperative to keep them simple.


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