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Post subject: So-called green taxes, which exact a price for the use  Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 1:52 am |
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Source: Gmat Prep, mba.com, Test II
So-called green taxes, which exact a price for the use of polluting or nonrenewable fuels, are having a positive effect on the environment and natural resource base of countries as varied as China, the Netherlands, and Hungary.
a. Same as above
b. as varied as are
c. as varied as those of
d. that are as varied as
e. that are varied as are
Just wondering if d. was incorrect for any other reason other than being longer than a. Please advise. Thank you![/u]
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Post subject: Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:32 am |
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Not really - just redundant b/c you don't need "that are."
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Post subject: So-called green taxes Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:43 pm |
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There is nothing wrong with A...Very simple and concise
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 5:38 am |
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There's a very subtle difference in meaning, although Stacey is correct that the main issue is that of redundancy/wordiness. But consider the difference between these two sentences, which would illustrate the point:
(1) I get mail from cities as far away as Providence.
(2) I get mail from cities that are as far away as Providence.
If I'm in San Francisco, then sentence #2 means, strangely enough, that I get mail from cities that are all exactly 3,082 miles away (the distance from SF to Providence). Sentence #1 implies no such thing.
Similarly, the wrong answer (D) seems to imply that EACH country is somehow as 'varied' as EACH other country. That's not the intended meaning, which is that the SET of countries is varied.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:20 pm |
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If I try to "trim" the sentence, I see
...green taxes...are having a...effect on ... base of countries as varied as China, the Netherlands, and Hungary.
By looking at A, I am confused what are being compared.
The green taxes of different countries are varied? Or The effects of green taxes in different countries are varied? Or the environment and natural resource bases of different countries are varied?
By putting C back to the sentence, the sentence kind of means that the green taxes of different countries are varied.
Won't C be a better choice?
Thanks in advance.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:37 am |
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Hei wrote: If I try to "trim" the sentence, I see
...green taxes...are having a...effect on ... base of countries as varied as China, the Netherlands, and Hungary.
By looking at A, I am confused what are being compared.
The green taxes of different countries are varied? Or The effects of green taxes in different countries are varied? Or the environment and natural resource bases of different countries are varied?
By putting C back to the sentence, the sentence kind of means that the green taxes of different countries are varied.
Won't C be a better choice?
Thanks in advance.
there's no ambiguity.
if i say:
wow! i've never seen a pumpkin as big as that one!
the only possible meaning is that i've never seen a pumpkin whose size is greater than or equal to x, where x is the size of the pumpkin i'm currently contemplating. in other words, 'as big as that one' is a modifier that modifies 'pumpkin' (and not any of the words that come before it).
same deal in this sentence, just with a lot more words thrown in.
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Post subject: Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 5:09 am |
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Why dont we need the "are" here ??
Please explain.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:30 pm |
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The phrase "as varied as" indicates some kind of comparison, so what are you comparing? What is it that is actually varying here? The noun 'countries" before the phrase and the three specific countries listed after the phrase. When you're comparing, you need the things you're comparing in parallel format.
So: "countries" on one side and "China, the Netherlands, and Hungary" on the other. Proper, parallel comparison.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:32 am |
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Hi,
In the above example why can't we interoret the sentence as
Green taxes,....., are having a positive effect on the environment and natural resource base of countries as varied as the environment and natural resource base of China, the Netherlands, and Hungary
Why is option c. as varied as those of wrong ?
Is there as rule that as..x...as will refer only to the immdiate noun, in that case my doubts are cleared if not then I am confused.. PLease help
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:59 pm |
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Anonymous wrote: Is there as rule that as..x...as will refer only to the immdiate noun, in that case my doubts are cleared if not then I am confused.. PLease help
yes.
when you have a COMPARISON construction such as the one here ("as varied as..."), it must refer to whatever noun, noun phrase, or other type of construction IMMEDIATELY follows.
you cannot ignore intervening words. so if you have "as varied as those of...", then you must regard "those of..." as the object under comparison.
you'll find this rule pleasant, because it replaces difficult thinking with completely mechanical processes.
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Post subject: why dont we need are Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 7:01 am |
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skoprince wrote: The phrase "as varied as" indicates some kind of comparison, so what are you comparing? What is it that is actually varying here? The noun 'countries" before the phrase and the three specific countries listed after the phrase. When you're comparing, you need the things you're comparing in parallel format.
So: "countries" on one side and "China, the Netherlands, and Hungary" on the other. Proper, parallel comparison.
Can you please explain why we do not need "are"? countries as varied as are China,....
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:03 am |
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I believe that if an "are" precedes "China...", then there is an illogical comparison - comparing "green tax" with "China".
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:12 am |
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I chose C for this Q. After reading the Ron's comments , it seems A is the answer but my query still remains:
a)The environment and natural resource base of countries as varied as China--> Comparing Countries
b) The environment and natural resource base of countries as varied as THOSE OF China--> Comparing the environment and natural base of Countries
My questiona are:
1 ) Are both gramatically Correct as per the intent (I mean if i were to convey the context written above , would the above sentence make sense? (Y/N)
2) In this Question, what are we trying to compare ? "Countries" OR "their environemental and natural base"??
Tutors, Please help
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:58 pm |
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Anonymous wrote: I chose C for this Q. After reading the Ron's comments , it seems A is the answer but my query still remains:
a)The environment and natural resource base of countries as varied as China--> Comparing Countries
b) The environment and natural resource base of countries as varied as THOSE OF China--> Comparing the environment and natural base of Countries
My questiona are:
1 ) Are both gramatically Correct as per the intent (I mean if i were to convey the context written above , would the above sentence make sense? (Y/N)
2) In this Question, what are we trying to compare ? "Countries" OR "their environemental and natural base"??
Tutors, Please help
1. No, I don't think so. If you wanted to compare the environments and natural resource bases from different places, you would have to make environment and base plural (because there'd be many of them), so something like this:
"..are having a positive effect on environments and natural resource bases as varied as those of China, the Netherlands, and Hungary."
2. Countries. Because it comes right before the "as" and because it is plural.
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Post subject: Re: why dont we need are Posted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:33 am |
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vineetagrwal wrote: skoprince wrote: The phrase "as varied as" indicates some kind of comparison, so what are you comparing? What is it that is actually varying here? The noun 'countries" before the phrase and the three specific countries listed after the phrase. When you're comparing, you need the things you're comparing in parallel format.
So: "countries" on one side and "China, the Netherlands, and Hungary" on the other. Proper, parallel comparison. Can you please explain why we do not need "are"? countries as varied as are China,.... Can someone please share his/her thoughts about the above question ?
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