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 Post subject: Ship Wreck
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:11 pm 
Hi Ron,

With choice B, I thought you would say " Whether "an" archaeologist, treasure hunter, or sport diver". I see B is the best answer for all the reasons mentioned above but I felt uncomfortable picking it since it felt incomplete without the "an" after whether.

-Raj.

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Hi Ron,

Thanks for your response.

You mentioned that C has other issues - "the bad usage of 'including' with the list of singular nouns".

I didn't quite get your point. If you don't mind, could you elaborate on the usage of "including" with the list of singular nouns.

Is it valid to use "whether" to refer to a list of items such as "whether X, Y or Z"?

Thanks in advance :)


when you use the word 'including', you have to use it was singular/plural according to the quantities of whatever it refers to. in this case, there is clearly more than one archaeologist / treasure hunter / sport diver, so you'd have to say '...including archaeologists, treasure hunters, and sport divers'.

as for your last question, yes, that construction involving 'whether' is valid.


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 Post subject: Re: Ship Wreck
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:14 am 
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Raj wrote:
Hi Ron,

With choice B, I thought you would say " Whether "an" archaeologist, treasure hunter, or sport diver". I see B is the best answer for all the reasons mentioned above but I felt uncomfortable picking it since it felt incomplete without the "an" after whether.



take this as a lesson about the usage considered acceptable on the test; sometimes the conventions are more than a little surprising.

remember, it's their playground, and they make the rules. the best you can hope to do is stay abreast of those rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Use of Passive voice
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:19 am 
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Manish wrote:
I also feel that one important point in this question is voice. Since the non underlined portion here represents passive voice the entire sentence should be passive. This happens in b and not a. Please comment if you agree/disagree.

Thanks
Manish


you may have a point, but that consideration isn't terribly important in this problem: the choices using the active voice are all grammatically WRONG.
the antecedent of "which" doesn't make any sense in (a) or (d) - "coastal waters" and "the coast", respectively - and there's no antecedent at all for "it" in choice (e).

the best reason to prefer the passive voice in this sentence is that there isn't really a viable subject if we use the active voice. i.e., what actually "exposes" the remains to turbulence? uh... we don't really know. but we do know that they are exposed; hence the passive voice.


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 Post subject: Re: Shipwrecks are more likely to be found
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:39 am 
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My reasoning for choosing B instead of A was regarding the use of "which", different from the reason above.

I deduced that "there should be a THAT" instead of a "which" since the clause after that has importance. So I eliminated A.


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 Post subject: Re: Shipwrecks are more likely to be found
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2010 12:50 am 
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actually, neither "that" nor "which" will work here. remember, the noun has to touch the modifier..

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 Post subject: Re: Shipwrecks are more likely to be found
 Post Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:02 pm 
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Hi Stacey,

I had a question.I was confused between a and b but then I knew a was wrong.However with b too, the sentence ends with whether.Shouldn't "whether" introduce a clause.Is b fully correct?

Thanks,
Khushbu.


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 Post subject: Re: Shipwrecks are more likely to be found
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:23 am 
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khushburathi wrote:
Is b fully correct?


OFFICIALLY CORRECT ANSWERS ARE CORRECT!
do not question officially correct answers!

far too many students on this forum make the mistake of questioning the correct answers; please note that doing so is a complete waste of your time and effort. i.e., exactly 0% of the time that you spend posting "isn't this official answer wrong?" is productive, and exactly 100% of that time is wasted.

"is this correct?" is NEVER a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always yes.
"is this wrong?" / "is this X type of error?" is NEVER a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always no.

instead, the questions you should be asking about correct official answers, if you don't understand them, are:
"why is this correct?"
"how does this work?"
"what understanding am i lacking that i need to understand this choice?"

this is a small, but hugely significant, change to your way of thinking -- you will suddenly find it much easier to understand the format, style, and conventions of the official problems if you dispose of the idea that they might be wrong.

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if you are surprised by this problem, the correct way to react is “hey, i just learned something new about the word whether.” as always, it is pointless to ask whether the official answer is actually wrong; the answer is no, the official answer is not wrong.


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