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SC -- Vit E excess

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quixoticmoi
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 Post Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:47 am 
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The Manhattan SC books says that the subject of the sentence can never be inside a prepositional phrase.

So here in this case,
" Intake of Vit E" ...How can Vitamin E be the subject??
how can 'it' refer back to vitamin E ????
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jnelson0612
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 Post Posted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:29 pm 
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quixoticmoi wrote:
The Manhattan SC books says that the subject of the sentence can never be inside a prepositional phrase.

So here in this case,
" Intake of Vit E" ...How can Vitamin E be the subject??
how can 'it' refer back to vitamin E ????


It's actually the "intake" that is the subject, and Ron addresses the "it" referring to Vitamin E on the previous page. Good questions!

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ali1
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 Post Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:08 pm 
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tim wrote:
"suggest" and "may" is actually a natural pairing and appropriately hedges the research findings. The real reason B is wrong is because there is a parallelism problem. In A "intake" is parallel with "that", but in B "taking" is not parallel with "that"..



I am still confused as to the parallelism issues with B. Does the 2nd that in the sentence act as a "new copy"?

B) Recent studies suggest that taking vitamin E in excess of that found naturally in a balanced diet actually increases the risk of developing certain illnesses

Is the parallelism issue because that (underlined above) is used as a "new copy" of the antecedent? If that is the case then I can see why B has parallelism issue.

Can "that" in A be re-written like this? (see underlined portion below)

A) Recent studies suggest that an intake of vitamin E in excess of an intake found naturally in a balanced diet may actually increase the risk of developing certain illnesses
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tim
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 Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:15 am 
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I’m not sure what you mean by a ”new copy”, but you definitely need to be able to replace ”that” with its antecedent, and that is what creates the parallelism problem in B, because "taking" is not a valid antecedent..

In your proposed rewrite of A, I’d prefer to see the second underlined portion say ”the intake of vitamin E” rather than simply ”an intake”, but yes the idea is that in any correctly written sentence you must be able to replace pronouns with their antecedents..

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ali1
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 Post Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:37 am 
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Thank you Tim, your response answered my question.

Also to clarify "new copy", I was referring to the demonstrative pronouns on page 91 in the 8th MGMT guide - SC.

"You may also use that or those to indicate a "New Copy" or copies of the antecedent."
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ivy
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 Post Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:30 am 
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tim wrote:
The real reason B is wrong is because there is a parallelism problem. In A "intake" is parallel with "that", but in B "taking" is not parallel with "that"..

I’m not sure what you mean by a ”new copy”, but you definitely need to be able to replace ”that” with its antecedent, and that is what creates the parallelism problem in B, because "taking" is not a valid antecedent..

In your proposed rewrite of A, I’d prefer to see the second underlined portion say ”the intake of vitamin E” rather than simply ”an intake”, but yes the idea is that in any correctly written sentence you must be able to replace pronouns with their antecedents..


Hello,

Isn't 'that' in option A referring to 'vitamin E' only?

I'm still confused with parallelism issue in option B. Why isn't 'taking' a valid antecedent? 'taking' can be used as noun, right? And is 'taking of vitamin E' an antecedent to pronoun 'that'? Isn't 'vitamin E' the antecedent?

Thank you very much for the guidance! :)
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tim
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 Post Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 12:10 am 
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Okay, we really need to get away from the issue of what the antecedent of "that" is here. Regardless of how you interpret it, the correct version is more or less going to make sense. Don't worry too much about things that aren't really an issue..

As for the parallelism, the problem is that you're trying to compare one "taking" to another. You can't say one taking is in excess of another taking..

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