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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 5:21 am 
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there's also the idiom "studied WITH as much depth", which is substandard -- it should be "IN as much depth".

jnelson0612 wrote:
All else equal, active voice is preferred to passive voice

that's a bit overly simplistic, actually -- in fact, note that this sentence itself is written in the passive voice! (we used to propound this rule in our older materials, but we're in the process of removing it because ... well, it isn't true.)
it's not really true that active is preferred to passive; in fact, in OG12, of the 33 splits between active and passive, 17 (= over half) are resolved in favor of the passive. this observation appears to defeat any hope of using active/passive as an easy criterion for elimination.

in this particular example, the active voice makes more sense because of the parallelism with the earlier clause, but it's a mistake to think that the active voice is preferred in general.

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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:13 am 
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RonPurewal wrote:
there's also the idiom "studied WITH as much depth", which is substandard -- it should be "IN as much depth".

jnelson0612 wrote:
All else equal, active voice is preferred to passive voice

that's a bit overly simplistic, actually -- in fact, note that this sentence itself is written in the passive voice! (we used to propound this rule in our older materials, but we're in the process of removing it because ... well, it isn't true.)
it's not really true that active is preferred to passive; in fact, in OG12, of the 33 splits between active and passive, 17 (= over half) are resolved in favor of the passive. this observation appears to defeat any hope of using active/passive as an easy criterion for elimination.

in this particular example, the active voice makes more sense because of the parallelism with the earlier clause, but it's a mistake to think that the active voice is preferred in general.


This is great information! I have learned a lot from this. Just goes to show why Ron is the king here. :-)

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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:21 am 
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Thank you Ron, Thank you Nelson.


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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:15 am 
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Thanks again Ron!

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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:00 pm 
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I have a question with the use of whether. The first three choices were eliminated because of lack of parallelism of whether or whether but I thought whether.. or... is a valid split and am sure there are several examples to prove. Am I missing something here.

Pls clarify.


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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 3:46 am 
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arindam.gupta1 wrote:
I have a question with the use of whether. The first three choices were eliminated because of lack of parallelism of whether or whether but I thought whether.. or... is a valid split and am sure there are several examples to prove. Am I missing something here.

Pls clarify.


you aren't understanding the meaning of the sentence correctly.

you are parsing the sentence as though it were
whether (x) or (y)
--> this construction can be correct, but only if just one issue (x vs. y) is unclear.

the problem is that the meaning of this sentence is actually
it is unclear (whether x) or (whether y)
i.e., there are two different issues that are unclear, not just one x-versus-y type of issue.

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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:08 am 
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RonPurewal wrote:
arindam.gupta1 wrote:
I have a question with the use of whether. The first three choices were eliminated because of lack of parallelism of whether or whether but I thought whether.. or... is a valid split and am sure there are several examples to prove. Am I missing something here.

Pls clarify.


you aren't understanding the meaning of the sentence correctly.

you are parsing the sentence as though it were
whether (x) or (y)
--> this construction can be correct, but only if just one issue (x vs. y) is unclear.

the problem is that the meaning of this sentence is actually
it is unclear (whether x) or (whether y)
i.e., there are two different issues that are unclear, not just one x-versus-y type of issue.


Hi Ron,

I thought that Chimpanzee is unique vs other animals may have the same ability is just one issue here.
If there is two different issues (as you pointed out), I think it should be:
it is unclear (whether x) and (whether y)

I know I shouldnt question the OA but it is just really confusing :(


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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:15 pm 
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Ron sorry for bumping in the thread.
Can you indicate what other errors does option C contain (besides parallelism).
Can we say that the if ...then clause pattern is violated, beacuse would be found is not exactly would + bare infintive.


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 Post subject: Re: SC:GMATp:chimpanzees are unique among nonhuman species
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:39 am 
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gaurav1a2b wrote:
Ron sorry for bumping in the thread.
Can you indicate what other errors does option C contain (besides parallelism).


well, the whole structure of that first part ("would similar patterns be found...") is the structure of a question, not a statement.

this is something people here should pay attention to, because (a) it's come up in a few official problems now, and (b) lots of people here don't distinguish properly between the structure of a question and the structure of a statement.

e.g.
Why is choice A wrong? (question)
I don't know why choice A is wrong. (statement)
^^^ this is the primary offender. lots and lots and lots of people here write "why A is wrong?" -- and that's wrong.

in this example:
Would similar patterns be found in other animals? (question)
I don't know if/whether similar patterns would be found in other animals. (statement)

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