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Post subject: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not  Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2011 12:55 pm |
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57. During an ice age, the buildup of ice at the poles and the drop in water levels near the equator speed up the Earth’s rotation, like a spinning figure skater whose speed increases when her arms are drawn in.
(A) like a spinning figure skater whose speed increases when her arms are drawn in
(B) like the increased speed of a figure skater when her arms are drawn in
(C) like a figure skater who increases speed while spinning with her arms drawn in
(D) just as a spinning figure skater who increases speed by drawing in her arms
(E) just as a spinning figure skater increases speed by drawing in her arms
Please tell me the difference between using relative pronoun WHO and not using it. In this example, i pick the coorect answer E, but only because it sounds right, but D also feels correct.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 3:00 am |
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Well, my two cents....
"Spinning figure skater increases" is parallel to " the buildup of ice at the poles and the drop in water levels near the equator speed up".
The insertion of the who destroys the parallelism.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2011 4:15 am |
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roshni.patram wrote: Well, my two cents....
"Spinning figure skater increases" is parallel to " the buildup of ice at the poles and the drop in water levels near the equator speed up".
The insertion of the who destroys the parallelism. Why "like" doesn't fit here ?
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:14 am |
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You cant use "Like" because you are not comparing nouns but clauses.
You are not comparing "build-up of ice and the drop in water levels" to "spinning figure" but comparing "the buildup of ice at the poles and the drop in water levels near the equator speed up" to "a spinning figure skater increases speed by drawing in her arms"
However, I have not studied this chapter as yet - So am not sure.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:41 am |
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roshni.patram wrote: You cant use "Like" because you are not comparing nouns but clauses.
You are not comparing "build-up of ice and the drop in water levels" to "spinning figure" but comparing "the buildup of ice at the poles and the drop in water levels near the equator speed up" to "a spinning figure skater increases speed by drawing in her arms"
However, I have not studied this chapter as yet - So am not sure. I understand your point roshni. My question here is - Is the below sentence correct ? Yesterday I danced the whole night, like Meera who also danced the whole night.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:21 am |
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A better way to frame it would be -
Yesterday, I danced all night, just as Meera did.
You are comparing the actions here, not the actual nouns.
Like is used in the context of comparing only the nouns.
I am tall,like Meera.
I think you can also say - I am tall, just as Meera is. :)
Hey, I am going to stop right here and let the experts answer!!
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:29 am |
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saxenankit wrote: roshni.patram wrote: You cant use "Like" because you are not comparing nouns but clauses.
You are not comparing "build-up of ice and the drop in water levels" to "spinning figure" but comparing "the buildup of ice at the poles and the drop in water levels near the equator speed up" to "a spinning figure skater increases speed by drawing in her arms"
However, I have not studied this chapter as yet - So am not sure. I understand your point roshni. My question here is - Is the below sentence correct ? Yesterday I danced the whole night, like Meera who also danced the whole night. Thanks roshni for your help. Can any expert please comment on the validity of the usage of like in the below sentence - Yesterday I danced the whole night, like Meera who also danced the whole night.
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venugopis
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:36 am |
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Thanks for clarifying on pronoun "WHO".
LIKE can't be used because LIKE must be followed by a noun, not a whole clause, but AS should be used to introduce a clause.
Further, LIKE is a preposition - should introduce a phrase; 'AS' is a conjunction - should introduce a clause.
Hope this helps.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 12:03 am |
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venugopis wrote: Thanks for clarifying on pronoun "WHO".
LIKE can't be used because LIKE must be followed by a noun, not a whole clause, but AS should be used to introduce a clause.
Further, LIKE is a preposition - should introduce a phrase; 'AS' is a conjunction - should introduce a clause.
Hope this helps. Thanks venu Can any expert please comment on the validity of the usage of like in the below sentence - Yesterday I danced the whole night, like Meera who also danced the whole night.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:41 am |
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Hi Saxena , if you have to anyway use like in the sentence , here you go...
Yesterday I like Meera danced the whole night. But this is becoming very awkward ...again our MGMAT expert can comment .
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 12:19 pm |
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no Pranab, your example doesn't work. Saxena, your example is grammatically correct but redundant. Roshni, your examples are fine as well. Remember, "like" compares nouns while "as" compares clauses, but many sentences can be written either way. So when you're looking at one of these sentences, DON'T ask yourself whether they are comparing nouns or clauses and then look at like/as. Instead, look at whether the answer choice you're investigating uses "like" or "as" and then decide whether that word can be used with the other words that are on the page..
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:24 am |
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tim wrote: no Pranab, your example doesn't work. Saxena, your example is grammatically correct but redundant. Roshni, your examples are fine as well. Remember, "like" compares nouns while "as" compares clauses, but many sentences can be written either way. So when you're looking at one of these sentences, DON'T ask yourself whether they are comparing nouns or clauses and then look at like/as. Instead, look at whether the answer choice you're investigating uses "like" or "as" and then decide whether that word can be used with the other words that are on the page.. I got you Tim. My question is - can I have a sentence as - CLAUSE, Like + NOUN + Relative Clause
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:41 pm |
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saxenankit wrote: tim wrote: no Pranab, your example doesn't work. Saxena, your example is grammatically correct but redundant. Roshni, your examples are fine as well. Remember, "like" compares nouns while "as" compares clauses, but many sentences can be written either way. So when you're looking at one of these sentences, DON'T ask yourself whether they are comparing nouns or clauses and then look at like/as. Instead, look at whether the answer choice you're investigating uses "like" or "as" and then decide whether that word can be used with the other words that are on the page.. I got you Tim. My question is - can I have a sentence as - CLAUSE, Like + NOUN + Relative Clause Could you give us a specific example of this sentence?
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:01 am |
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jnelson0612 wrote: saxenankit wrote: tim wrote: no Pranab, your example doesn't work. Saxena, your example is grammatically correct but redundant. Roshni, your examples are fine as well. Remember, "like" compares nouns while "as" compares clauses, but many sentences can be written either way. So when you're looking at one of these sentences, DON'T ask yourself whether they are comparing nouns or clauses and then look at like/as. Instead, look at whether the answer choice you're investigating uses "like" or "as" and then decide whether that word can be used with the other words that are on the page.. I got you Tim. My question is - can I have a sentence as - CLAUSE, Like + NOUN + Relative Clause Could you give us a specific example of this sentence? eg: Yesterday I danced the whole night, like Meera who also danced the whole night.
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Post subject: Re: relative pronoun WHO- redundant or Not Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:01 pm |
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well, yes, except you need a comma after "Maria". but you wouldn't find a sentence like this being used correctly on the GMAT because they would avoid the redundancy..
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