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 Post subject: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:24 am 
At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent that it was said a squirrel could jump from tree to tree without once touching the ground between New York State and Georgia.

(A) so prevalent that it was said a squirrel could
(B) so prevalent that a squirrel was said that it could
(C) so prevalent for a squirrel to be said to be able to
(D) prevalent enough that it was said a squirrel could
(E) prevalent enough for a squirrel to be said to be able to

OA is A.

How come it doesn't require a "that" between "said" and "a squirrel"?
Under what circumstances can "that" be omitted when a clause is introduced?
Thanks in advance.


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 Post subject: Re: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so preva
 Post Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:53 am 
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Hei wrote:
How come it doesn't require a "that" between "said" and "a squirrel"?


you're going to hate this answer, but ... because it just doesn't. :)

that's actually a serious answer: in the majority of uses like this (she believed (that)..., it has been said (that)... etc.), it's acceptable to omit the word 'that' if the construction's meaning is still clear and unambiguous.

in this case, an extra factor in favor of omitting 'that' is the occurrence of the word 'that' just a few words away; a sentence containing the words '...so prevalent that it was said that...' would be awfully ugly.

Hei wrote:
Under what circumstances can "that" be omitted when a clause is introduced?
Thanks in advance.


see above. the cases in which it can be eliminated are many and varied.

a thought that should provide some consolation: i'm pretty certain that the gmat won't include a problem that hangs on the presence vs. absence of the word 'that' alone. note that, in this problem, the presence/absence of 'that' isn't really an issue, because all the choices except a and d can be eliminated on other grounds of grammar/usage. both of those remaining choices - a and d - omit the word 'that', so you don't have to make that decision yourself. (notice that the choice between a and d comes down to the rhetorical meaning of those two choices.)


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 Post Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:58 pm 
I picked B (although it sounds awkward) because I thought that "that" couldn't be omitted.
Hmm...I will avoid picking the answer based on the omission of "that".
Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent
 Post Posted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 9:07 am 
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At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent that it was said a squirrel could jump from tree to tree without once touching the ground between New York State and Georgia.

Can you please let me know what does IT refers to in the sentence.


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 Post subject: Re: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 3:29 am 
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krish.swamimba wrote:
At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent that it was said a squirrel could jump from tree to tree without once touching the ground between New York State and Georgia.

Can you please let me know what does IT refers to in the sentence.


It here does not need to refer to anything.

example: It is my pleasure to invite you or It was a terrible mistakes.


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 Post subject: Re: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent
 Post Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 6:09 am 
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chuckberry007 wrote:
krish.swamimba wrote:
At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent that it was said a squirrel could jump from tree to tree without once touching the ground between New York State and Georgia.

Can you please let me know what does IT refers to in the sentence.


It here does not need to refer to anything.

example: It is my pleasure to invite you or It was a terrible mistakes.


if you have
it was ADJ ...
or
it has been/was/is said/believed...

then the "it" doesn't have to stand for anything. you should just memorize this as an idiomatic construction.

"it was a terrible mistake", though, would be incorrect unless "it" actually stood for some noun.


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 Post subject: Re: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:42 am 
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Thank you for your Explanation Ron!.
May I ask you a question.

What is wrong with B?

Is it because too much "that" in a sentence?


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 Post subject: Re: At one time, the majestic American chestnut was so prevalent
 Post Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 2:41 pm 
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(B) so prevalent that a squirrel was said that it could...

"Too much 'that'", as you suggested, is not the best reason to rule out this answer choice.

In this answer choice, the clause "a squirrel was said that it could" does not make logical sense. How can you a say a squirrel? Furthermore, it is structurally awkward. Answer choice A improves on this structure.

Have a great New Year!

- Dan P


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