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 Post subject: While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified
 Post Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:05 am 
While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars have long been recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the tradition of Northern Europe.
A. been recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who
B. been recognizing him for being a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he
C. recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who
D. recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he
E. recognizing him for being a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who

This is a GMAT PREP Question

A is wrong "and who"
B E "being"

So I have C and D left . My question for C :- C has " who" relative pronoun :- refers to nearest noun then it is awkward to say "a remarkably versatile artist was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the tradition of Northern Europe

I went for D as left with no choice . I presume that recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he is better to connect to separate sentence and he Identifies with "Hands Holbein the Younger "

Also my question is :- is "scholars have long recognizing " is correct Is Scholars <subject> have <verb> what is long (verb/noun) recognizing (participle)


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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:10 am 
My question is how to select between C and D


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 Post Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:49 am 
Also in D is it wrong to say while <present tense clause>, <present tense clause> and <past tense clause>

Is the squence of tense is important? Correct Answer is C


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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:32 am 
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Can you please check your transcription of the problem? According to what you entered, the correct answer is this sentence:

While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the tradition of Northern Europe.

That's not grammatically correct. None of the options are, as you typed the question. Please go back and check your GMATPrep software. (And if you pulled this from a post on another forum, you have two choices: go take GMATPrep till you get the question and can check it yourself or go beg whoever posted in the first place to proofread!)

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 Post subject: Re:
 Post Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 4:23 am 
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StaceyKoprince wrote:
Can you please check your transcription of the problem? According to what you entered, the correct answer is this sentence:

While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the tradition of Northern Europe.

That's not grammatically correct. None of the options are, as you typed the question. Please go back and check your GMATPrep software. (And if you pulled this from a post on another forum, you have two choices: go take GMATPrep till you get the question and can check it yourself or go beg whoever posted in the first place to proofread!)


Well, This is the right version:
While Hans Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars have long been recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the rational tradition of Northern Europe.

(A) been recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who
(B) been recognizing him for being a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he
(C) recognized him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who
(D) recognized him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he
(E) recognized him for being a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who

OA is c

D is wrong, because While Hans Holbein the Younger is ..., (schoolars have...and) he was... dose not make sense!


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 Post Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:49 pm 
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StaceyKoprince wrote:
Can you please check your transcription of the problem? According to what you entered, the correct answer is this sentence:

While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the tradition of Northern Europe.

That's not grammatically correct. None of the options are, as you typed the question. Please go back and check your GMATPrep software. (And if you pulled this from a post on another forum, you have two choices: go take GMATPrep till you get the question and can check it yourself or go beg whoever posted in the first place to proofread!)






WOW this is the first time i have seen Stacey get tough!!!.Read a lot of her posts though!!!!
Just on the lighter side :-)


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 Post subject: Re: While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:18 pm 
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Funny, I just responded to a thread in which Stacey turned the other cheek. Guess that she has only so many cheeks.


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 Post subject: Re: While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2010 11:21 pm 
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She's more patient than I am. I was miffed at "Hands" Holbein. His nickname from his days as a wide-receiver? Or did he get a little fresh with Anne Boleyn?


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 Post subject: Re: While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 10:00 am 
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"And" is used as a connector to join separate ideas. In this case, it is not the case. hence, D is wrong...


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 Post subject: Re: While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:46 pm 
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Hi Mitlesh,

Good call on the use of the second "and" in D. The clause that begins with "and he..." should clearly be begun with a ", and " to signify the beginning of an independent clause.

Nice catch.

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Chris

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 Post subject: Re: Re:
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 26, 2011 11:40 pm 
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tankobe wrote:
StaceyKoprince wrote:
Can you please check your transcription of the problem? According to what you entered, the correct answer is this sentence:

While Hands Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the tradition of Northern Europe.

That's not grammatically correct. None of the options are, as you typed the question. Please go back and check your GMATPrep software. (And if you pulled this from a post on another forum, you have two choices: go take GMATPrep till you get the question and can check it yourself or go beg whoever posted in the first place to proofread!)


Well, This is the right version:
While Hans Holbein the Younger is most often identified with his English portraits, scholars have long been recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who was fundamental in synthesizing the novelties of the Italian Renaissance with the rational tradition of Northern Europe.

(A) been recognizing him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who
(B) been recognizing him for being a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he
(C) recognized him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist who
(D) recognized him as a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and he
(E) recognized him for being a superb draftsman and a remarkably versatile artist and who

OA is c

D is wrong, because While Hans Holbein the Younger is ..., (schoolars have...and) he was... dose not make sense!


Hi Tutors,

I just wanted to establish that I used the correct POE to eliminate A.

Option A has two mistakes:

1. It should not read "artist and who". Should be "artist who"

2. Is "been recognizing" the wrong verb tense? I am not sure but it sounds weird - I am unsure about the exact rule that is at play here. Doesn't been recognizing mean that his work is still being recognized even today? Had option A not made the mistake of "and who" could it have been a grammatically correct sentence? Pls advise.


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 Post Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:57 am 
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raheel11 wrote:
Is "been recognizing" the wrong verb tense? I am not sure but it sounds weird - I am unsure about the exact rule that is at play here. Doesn't been recognizing mean that his work is still being recognized even today? Had option A not made the mistake of "and who" could it have been a grammatically correct sentence? Pls advise.


"has/have been VERBing" implies a recent trend that is most likely temporary. for instance --
Team X has been playing almost five games per week lately.
--> this sentence implies that this trend has been going on recently, but also that it will probably end sometime.

"has/have VERBed" has no such connotation of impermanence.

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by the way, if you are a native speaker of english, verb tenses are one of the very few areas on which “using your ear” is actually a viable strategy.

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 Post subject: Re: Re:
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 5:32 am 
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RonPurewal wrote:
raheel11 wrote:
Is "been recognizing" the wrong verb tense? I am not sure but it sounds weird - I am unsure about the exact rule that is at play here. Doesn't been recognizing mean that his work is still being recognized even today? Had option A not made the mistake of "and who" could it have been a grammatically correct sentence? Pls advise.


"has/have been VERBing" implies a recent trend that is most likely temporary. for instance --
Team X has been playing almost five games per week lately.
--> this sentence implies that this trend has been going on recently, but also that it will probably end sometime.

"has/have VERBed" has no such connotation of impermanence.

--

by the way, if you are a native speaker of english, verb tenses are one of the very few areas on which “using your ear” is actually a viable strategy.



Thanks Ron! The problem is that I am not a native speaker and therefore, I cannot really "trust my ear". Trying to focus more on rules.


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 Post subject: Re: Re:
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:37 am 
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raheel11 wrote:
Thanks Ron! The problem is that I am not a native speaker and therefore, I cannot really "trust my ear". Trying to focus more on rules.


if you are not a native speaker of english, you should place a very low priority on verb tenses; as is the case for any other language, verb tenses are by far the hardest aspect of the language for non-native speakers to learn.

in fact, i would go so far as to say that, unless you can identify errors in parallelism, pronoun usage, subject-verb agreement, and modifier usage literally 100% of the time, you should not think about verb tenses, at all, until you can identify those errors 100% of the time.

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 Post Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:45 pm 
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Good


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