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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:42 am |
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Quote: Trans World Entertainment Corporation, which owns the RecordTown and Saturday Matinee retail chains, announced that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed A. that since sales of up to one-fourth of its stores are poor, they will be closed B. it is closing up to one-fourth of its stores, which accounted for its poor sales C. it was closing up to one fourth of its stores because of poor sales D. to be closing, on account of poor sales, up to one-fourth of its stores E. having poor sales, such that up to one-fourth of its stores will be closed Will the tutors please confirm why the other options are wrongA. pronoun ambiguity. "they" refers to sales not stores B. stores should be limited with a restrictive clause: "stores that" C. meaning not clear. but the best of the lot? D. announced to be closing is wrong? E. "announced......sales" as opposed to "announced.....closing" which was the intended meaning Thank you
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:53 pm |
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A. pronoun ambiguity. "they" refers to sales not stores
Yes.
B. stores should be limited with a restrictive clause: "stores that"
Sort of. The nonrestrictive clause used in B is wrong, but simply trading which for that (and dropping the comma) wouldn't solve all of B's problems. Think about what's wrong with B, not about how B could have been better.
C. meaning not clear. but the best of the lot?
Yes.
D. announced to be closing is wrong?
Yes, and I'm not crazy about on account of, unless it's followed by rain.
E. "announced......sales" as opposed to "announced.....closing" which was the intended meaning
No. E is a train wreck. It doesn't say announced...sales. It says announced having.... where having is presumably a gerund. It's got lots of other problems too.
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 3:20 am |
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C is correct. (A) has simple present tense which does not agree simple past tense 'announced" I've just been confused the underlined word "that" in original sentence.
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 3:06 pm |
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can you be more specific about what your concern is with the "that"?
_________________ Tim Sanders Manhattan GMAT Instructor
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2011 1:50 pm |
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tim wrote: can you be more specific about what your concern is with the "that"? at the time i unfolded the concern above i had the bad habbit of learning by heart some rules so this problem really hearts my belief that "announce" should be followed by "that". i may eliminate the thinking "announce that" always out of my head????
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:09 am |
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phuonglink wrote: tim wrote: can you be more specific about what your concern is with the "that"? at the time i unfolded the concern above i had the bad habbit of learning by heart some rules so this problem really hearts my belief that "announce" should be followed by "that". i may eliminate the thinking "announce that" always out of my head???? well, since the correct answer contains "announce(d)" without "that", you now know that you don't need to use "that" in this construction. remember -- correct answers are correct; any construction that appears in an officially correct answer must be ok, in terms of both grammar and meaning. -- by the way -- in general, it's dangerous ever to assume that a construction MUST contain the word "that" -- in the vast majority of these constructions, you can substitute a noun for the clause beginning with "that" and still have a legitimate sentence. grammatically, the reason is that the clause starting with "that" technically plays the role of a noun; in fact, such clauses are technically classified as "noun clauses", for exactly this reason. therefore, by taking out the clause and replacing it with a noun, you are actually not altering the grammar of the sentence at all. examples (ALL are ok): I proposed that we meet on Wednesday rather than Tuesday. I proposed a new meeting time.James estimated that he had not seen Thomas in three months. James estimated the length of the corridor. This report indicates that crime is increasing in our neighborhood. This map indicates all locations at which violent crimes have been committed in the last week.etc. etc. in fact, now that i think about it, i can't come up with even one construction that actually requires the word "that" in this way -- in every example i can conjure up, the "that"-clause can be replaced by a noun. so, be careful.
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:16 am |
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thank you for correcting my thinking.
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Thu Jan 13, 2011 7:14 am |
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Good discussion--thank you all!
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:42 pm |
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Please, smb, explain why we should use a restrictive clause here (what is wrong with the non-restrictive one - for me these two forms of the clauses are interchangeable here). Thank you Quote: B. stores should be limited with a restrictive clause: "stores that"
Sort of. The nonrestrictive clause used in B is wrong, but simply trading which for that (and dropping the comma) wouldn't solve all of B's problems. Think about what's wrong with B, not about how B could have been better.
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Thu May 19, 2011 6:17 pm |
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kvitkod wrote: Please, smb, explain why we should use a restrictive clause here (what is wrong with the non-restrictive one - for me these two forms of the clauses are interchangeable here).
Thank you
kvitkod, there is some good information here on the difference between restrictive and non-restrictive clauses: post21393.htmlI'd like you to read that thread and then think about whether a restrictive clause is appropriate. Please post back once you've given it some thought. I think this will best help further your learning. :-)
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:39 am |
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RonPurewal wrote: examples (ALL are ok):
I proposed that we meet on Wednesday rather than Tuesday. I proposed a new meeting time.
James estimated that he had not seen Thomas in three months. James estimated the length of the corridor.
This report indicates that crime is increasing in our neighborhood. This map indicates all locations at which violent crimes have been committed in the last week.
etc. etc.
in fact, now that i think about it, i can't come up with even one construction that actually requires the word "that" in this way -- in every example i can conjure up, the "that"-clause can be replaced by a noun. so, be careful.
Hi Ron, Above examples are correct but I believe that it doesn't address the intended concern in question. Trans World Entertainment Corporation announced X. Here X is a clause and not a noun or noun phrase. If GMAC has not mentioned THAT, we have to think it has as all others have problem. Trans World Entertainment Corporation announced that X. 
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Post subject: Re: Prep Questions - Trans World Entertainment Corporation Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:12 am |
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akhpad wrote: Trans World Entertainment Corporation announced X. Here X is a clause and not a noun or noun phrase. If GMAC has not mentioned THAT, we have to think it has as all others have problem. Trans World Entertainment Corporation announced that X.  there are some exceptions to this principle, especially in the domain of verbs that have to do with speaking or delivering messages (said, announced, etc.) for instance, he said he was coming and he said that he was coming are both considered legitimate. also, here's another official problem with the same sort of omission: at-one-time-the-majestic-american-chestnut-was-so-prevalent-t2587.htmlnotice that this one contains "said", which is also about delivering some sort of message.
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