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Post subject: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 8:23 pm |
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What are the differences between B and E? OA is E
By merging its two publishing divisions, the company will increase their share of the country's $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks. A. their share of the country's $21 billion book market from 6 percent to 10 percent, a market ranging B. from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges C. to 10 percent from 6 percent in their share of the $21 billion book market in the country, a market ranging D. in its share, from 6 percent to 10 percent, of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges E. to 10 percent from 6 percent its share of the country's $21 billion book market, which ranges
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:46 am |
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If i remember correctly, which must modlify the noun that immediately predeceding it. Here, in B) which modifies country rather than book market.
In E) which correctly modify book market.
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Wed Sep 30, 2009 5:10 am |
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chuckberry007 wrote: If i remember correctly, which must modlify the noun that immediately predeceding it. Here, in B) which modifies country rather than book market.
In E) which correctly modify book market. yes. this seems to be the only thing wrong with (b).
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:59 am |
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Executives and federal officials say that the use of crack and cocaine is growing rapidly among workers,significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already cost business more than $100 billion a year.
Here 'which' refers to 'effects' since stand alone 'drug and alcohol abuse' will not make sense - it will sound 'drug and alcohol abuse cost business more than $100bn a year'; however, it is the 'effects of drug and alcohol abuse which cost business more than $100bn a year'.
Executives - SC from OG - usage of "which" • Manhattan GMAT Forums
I am using this analogy for our sentence here. 'Which' cannot refer to country because the new sentence will then sound weird - 'country ranges from x to y'. So 'which' in option B refers to '$21 bn book market in the country'.
So i think we cannot eliminate B using relative pronoun logic. The usage of 'which' in B sounds fine with me.
Ron, i would like to have your take on this. Thanks in advance
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johnwuy
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 3:54 am |
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I'd like to dispute that because the correct idiomatic usage should be increase from x to y, not increase to y from x
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:30 am |
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samarpan.bschool wrote: Executives and federal officials say that the use of crack and cocaine is growing rapidly among workers,significantly compounding the effects of drug and alcohol abuse, which already cost business more than $100 billion a year.
Here 'which' refers to 'effects' since stand alone 'drug and alcohol abuse' will not make sense - it will sound 'drug and alcohol abuse cost business more than $100bn a year'; however, it is the 'effects of drug and alcohol abuse which cost business more than $100bn a year'.
Executives - SC from OG - usage of "which" • Manhattan GMAT Forums
I am using this analogy for our sentence here. 'Which' cannot refer to country because the new sentence will then sound weird - 'country ranges from x to y'. So 'which' in option B refers to '$21 bn book market in the country'.
So i think we cannot eliminate B using relative pronoun logic. The usage of 'which' in B sounds fine with me.
Ron, i would like to have your take on this. Thanks in advance false analogy. the reason why you can disqualify "drug and alcohol abuse" from being the referent in the example above is because it's GRAMMATICALLY INELIGIBLE: "drug and alcohol abuse" is SINGULAR, but "which" is PLURAL (as evidenced by the plural verb, "cost", that follows). since "abuse" CANNOT grammatically be the referent, you go to the whole noun phrase. in the example in this thread, "country" is singular, so it's grammatically eligible (even though it's sort of absurd). therefore, we have a problem that doesn't exist in the example you cited.
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 9:30 am |
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johnwuy wrote: I'd like to dispute that because the correct idiomatic usage should be increase from x to y, not increase to y from x they're both fine. NEVER assume that, just because one version of an idiom is correct, all other versions are wrong. there are all sorts of idioms with multiple correct forms.
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:18 am |
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B. from 6 percent to 10 percent its share of the $21 billion book market in the country, which ranges
Hi Ron, I would like to differ with your explanation and correct me if I am wrong. When we have two nouns joined by a preposition 'which' will always refer to a noun before preposition Ex:In the case here 'market' and 'the country' are joined by a preposition 'in'. Hence 'which' should refer to the 'market'. If that is the case 'B' would be right answer.
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RonPurewal
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:50 am |
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saiindukuri87 wrote: Hi Ron, I would like to differ with your explanation and correct me if I am wrong. When we have two nouns joined by a preposition 'which' will always refer to a noun before preposition Ex:In the case here 'market' and 'the country' are joined by a preposition 'in'. Hence 'which' should refer to the 'market'. If that is the case 'B' would be right answer. nope. check out OG12 #111 (i can't reproduce the problem here, for copyright-related reasons). this problem has a correct answer containing "X of Y, which ...", in which "which" refers only to "Y". this happens on other official problems, too; this is just the first one that i managed to dig up.
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:58 am |
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if like what you said that in " X of Y, which", "which" only represent Y, then in answer E, "which" should only represent "country", but not "market"...
And also in answer E, "share of the country's..." is wrong...
I choose B for the reason below, Although "which" should represent the n. closet to it, but we must consider the logic validity in the question... Since here, country ranges from books to books is not logically valid, "which" should skip "country" and represent "market"...
If there is no absolute rule for the use of "which" in gmat, I think my explaination should be fine.. but I want to make sure whether in GMAT, we have to use "which" to represent the n. just closet to it...
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:04 am |
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gmwill888 wrote: if like what you said that in " X of Y, which", "which" only represent Y, then in answer E, "which" should only represent "country", but not "market"... there are at least three things wrong with this statement. 1, the word “country” does not appear anywhere in choice (e); there is only “country's”, which functions as an adjective. 2, the word “market” is playing the role of "Y" in your abbreviation above. 3, please go back and read the thread more carefully; we have stated that, in the construction “x of y, which”, the referent could be either "x" or "y" depending on the surrounding context. Quote: And also in answer E, "share of the country's..." is wrong...
OFFICIALLY CORRECT ANSWERS ARE CORRECT! do not question officially correct answers!far too many students on this forum make the mistake of questioning the correct answers; please note that doing so is a complete waste of your time and effort. i.e., exactly 0% of the time that you spend posting "isn't this official answer wrong?" is productive, and exactly 100% of that time is wasted. "is this correct?" is NEVER a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always yes. "is this wrong?" / "is this X type of error?" is NEVER a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always no. instead, the questions you should be asking about correct official answers, if you don't understand them, are: " why is this correct?" " how does this work?" " what understanding am i lacking that i need to understand this choice?" this is a small, but hugely significant, change to your way of thinking -- you will suddenly find it much easier to understand the format, style, and conventions of the official problems if you dispose of the idea that they might be wrong. Quote: I choose B for the reason below, Although "which" should represent the n. closet to it, but we must consider the logic validity in the question... Since here, country ranges from books to books is not logically valid, "which" should skip "country" and represent "market"... this whole logic issue is exactly why (e), not (b), is correct. in (b), "which" could technically refer either to "market" or to "country" ... and, unfortunately, "country" is closer. (e) is definitely the better choice.
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Sun Apr 14, 2013 6:02 pm |
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... book market, which ranges from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks.
maybe it sounds silly... i think books can range from textbooks to paperbacks but markets can't. ???
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Post subject: Re: SC: By merging its two publishing divisions, the Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:24 am |
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cnhelen wrote: ... book market, which ranges from obscure textbooks to mass-market paperbacks.
maybe it sounds silly... i think books can range from textbooks to paperbacks but markets can't. ??? OFFICIALLY CORRECT ANSWERS ARE CORRECT! do not question officially correct answers!far too many students on this forum make the mistake of questioning the correct answers; to do so is to waste your time and effort. "is this correct?" is never a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always yes. "is this wrong?" / "is this X type of error?" is never a productive question to ask about one of GMAC's correct answers -- the answer is always no. instead, the questions you should be asking about correct official answers, if you don't understand them, are: " why is this correct?" " how does this work?" " what understanding am i lacking that i need to understand this choice?" this is a small, but hugely significant, change to your way of thinking. you will find it much easier to understand the format, style, and conventions of the official problems if you retire the idea that they might be wrong.
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