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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989  Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 3:46 pm |
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bump...
can anybody please answer the above doubt ...
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 7:26 pm |
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Quote: Well I had memorized this rule until I saw this question in MGMAT tests
Poor weather in early 14th-century Europe created meager harvests, causing the result of mass starvation in some areas and the elimination of as many as 15 percent of the population.
causing the result of mass starvation in some areas and the elimination as many as
causing the result of mass starvation in some areas and eliminating as much as
resulting in mass starvation in some areas and the elimination of as much as
and resulted in mass starvation in some areas and the elimination of as many as
causing mass starvation in some areas and the elimination of as many as
OA - C . This might mean either the rule is not true or there can be exceptions to the rule . Instructors , please explain .
I think I have seen similar thing in a gmatprep Q too. However my question is : How to discard option A in the original sentence the first key with the question is that population is an uncountable noun, so it should use as much as 15 percent of the population rather than as many as 15 percent of the population; now we can get rid of A, D and E first; another problem with option A and B is that "causing the result of" is not an idiom but as you asked, I am confused with the resulting in used in this question with the one answer by RonPurewal as follow qoutation: Quote: Anon wrote:Bump...
consensus is that you just can't have 'resulting from' after a comma.
you can have it as an adjective modifier, without a comma - as in the following sentence:
the flooding resulting from the abnormally strong storms had left six inches of standing water in the street.
note that the boldface is an adjective modifier, modifying 'flooding'.
it appears that on the gmat, as well as in standard written english in general, 'resulting from' after a comma is generally considered unacceptable.
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:41 pm |
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Agree with you... any help from the instructors will be lovely...
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Thu May 13, 2010 7:15 am |
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gmatprep14 wrote: Well I had memorized this rule until I saw this question in MGMAT tests that is not a counterexample to the rule that i posted above; please read my post more carefully. in my post, i stated that you will not see the words "resulting FROM" after a comma. that statement was particular to this combination of two words; other combinations, such as "resulting IN", are quite possible.
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:35 am |
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A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 and 1996 revealed that creatures of the seabed were suffering from dwindling food supplies, possibly resulting from increasing sea surface temperatures during the same period.
a) that creatures of the seabed were suffering from dwindling food supplies, possibly resulting from increasing
I think this is one of the reasons why (A) can be eliminated.
IDIOM = Suffering from a serious DISEASE (correct)
IDIOM = Suffering from a dwindling FOOD SUPPLY (incorrect)
b) that creatures of the seabed were suffering because food supplies were dwindling, possibly as a result of an increase in
GMAT answer is (B)
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:52 am |
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vinversa wrote: I think this is one of the reasons why (A) can be eliminated.
IDIOM = Suffering from a serious DISEASE (correct)
IDIOM = Suffering from a dwindling FOOD SUPPLY (incorrect)
b) that creatures of the seabed were suffering because food supplies were dwindling, possibly as a result of an increase in
GMAT answer is (B) i'm not sure what your question is -- or even if you are asking a question, for that matter -- but this appears to be accurate. in fact, this is a point that was made earlier on the thread: post3894.html#p3894
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:56 pm |
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RonPurewal wrote: vinversa wrote: I think this is one of the reasons why (A) can be eliminated.
IDIOM = Suffering from a serious DISEASE (correct)
IDIOM = Suffering from a dwindling FOOD SUPPLY (incorrect)
b) that creatures of the seabed were suffering because food supplies were dwindling, possibly as a result of an increase in
GMAT answer is (B) i'm not sure what your question is -- or even if you are asking a question, for that matter -- but this appears to be accurate. in fact, this is a point that was made earlier on the thread: post3894.html#p3894I admit that food supplies themselves cannot be the result of temparature increase but, in A it is "dwindling food supply", can this phrase indicates an ongoing process that the food supply is decreasing, which can be the result of the temparature increase?
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Fri Jul 15, 2011 4:05 am |
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violetwind wrote: RonPurewal wrote: vinversa wrote: I think this is one of the reasons why (A) can be eliminated.
IDIOM = Suffering from a serious DISEASE (correct)
IDIOM = Suffering from a dwindling FOOD SUPPLY (incorrect)
b) that creatures of the seabed were suffering because food supplies were dwindling, possibly as a result of an increase in
GMAT answer is (B) i'm not sure what your question is -- or even if you are asking a question, for that matter -- but this appears to be accurate. in fact, this is a point that was made earlier on the thread: post3894.html#p3894I admit that food supplies themselves cannot be the result of temparature increase but, in A it is "dwindling food supply", can this phrase indicates an ongoing process that the food supply is decreasing, which can be the result of the temparature increase? no -- "from" is a preposition, so its object is still the noun "food supplies". i understand that the intended meaning is very accessible to common sense here, but, unfortunately, the correct use of a preposition requires a noun that makes sense in context.
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:10 am |
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[quote="RonPurewal]
no -- "from" is a preposition, so its object is still the noun "food supplies".
i understand that the intended meaning is very accessible to common sense here, but, unfortunately, the correct use of a preposition requires a noun that makes sense in context.[/quote]
sorry Ron, but I still don't get it.... "dwindling" is an important description of "food supplies" and "dwindling food supplies" should be seen as a whole phrase, shoudn't it?
For example, I suffer from bad sleep these days. Is this sentence right?
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 5:57 pm |
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violetwind wrote: [ I think Ron may say that it's unacceptable to say that you suffer "from sleep", even though you do have the adjective "bad". The way to fix this is to say that you suffer from "sleeplessness", which is a noun but accurately describes the situation.
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:58 am |
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jnelson0612 wrote: violetwind wrote: [ I think Ron may say that it's unacceptable to say that you suffer "from sleep", even though you do have the adjective "bad". The way to fix this is to say that you suffer from "sleeplessness", which is a noun but accurately describes the situation. Sorry Jamie, but I still don't get it..... I mean, if for Choice B, the "comma+ which" modifier is unristritive, which means that the meaning of the sentence won't be change much if that modifier is left out. Therefore I get that the choice B is problematic, as "Because of food supplies" doesn't show explicitly the problem of the food supplies. But for "dwindling food supplies" (in choice a)or for "bad sleep" (in the sentence I made), the adjective is an restrictive modifier, which is closely adhered to the noun. In other words, the problem of the food supplies is very clear in this way---dwinding. well, I don't really get it, could any instructor kindly shed more light on this issue? thank you very much!
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Post subject: Re: Bump Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 9:42 am |
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en, suddenly, I think I understand more
tw ousage of resulting in THIS SC,
A 1)"resulting from" can not modify the creatures of the seabed , similiar knowledge from OG12 emily's letters,
2)"resulting from" express a result , yes, as ron says, That creatures suffer shortage of food lead to a result--> increasing sea temperatures There is not logic. I remembered in PREP, a similiar problem about this point ( Ron says before)
C D E
he meaning is wrong, in C it only emphasizes that food supplies,
DE, only emphasize that creatures of the seabed
wrong.
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:56 am |
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violetwind wrote: jnelson0612 wrote: violetwind wrote: [ I think Ron may say that it's unacceptable to say that you suffer "from sleep", even though you do have the adjective "bad". The way to fix this is to say that you suffer from "sleeplessness", which is a noun but accurately describes the situation. Sorry Jamie, but I still don't get it..... I mean, if for Choice B, the "comma+ which" modifier is unristritive, which means that the meaning of the sentence won't be change much if that modifier is left out. Therefore I get that the choice B is problematic, as "Because of food supplies" doesn't show explicitly the problem of the food supplies. But for "dwindling food supplies" (in choice a)or for "bad sleep" (in the sentence I made), the adjective is an restrictive modifier, which is closely adhered to the noun. In other words, the problem of the food supplies is very clear in this way---dwinding. well, I don't really get it, could any instructor kindly shed more light on this issue? thank you very much! the issue of "restrictive vs. nonrestrictive" (i.e., the presence or absence of commas) is not a topic that is tested on the gmat, so it's best not to worry about it.
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 7:17 am |
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A is wrong because
comma doing modify the preceding clause.
"resulting" modify "suffering". This thing is not logic.
in B
"increase" modify "dwindling". This thing is logic.
Is my thinking correct?
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Post subject: Re: A study of food resources in the North Pacific between 1989 Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:06 pm |
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thanghnvn wrote: A is wrong because
comma doing modify the preceding clause.
"resulting" modify "suffering". This thing is not logic.
in B
"increase" modify "dwindling". This thing is logic.
Is my thinking correct? Close! Choice A) seems to indicate that the food supplies themselves were resulting from the increasing sea surface temperatures. You are correct that A) uses incorrect modifier placement. In B), the answer says "the result of an increase". "of an increase" is a prepositional phrase which would be describing the noun right before the prepositional phrase, "result".
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