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 Post Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 6:44 am 
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tryingFor750p wrote:
Is it correct that their in A is ambiguous, can refer to biological traits or products of natural selection?

But they is not because it's parallel to biological traits (and so also refering to biological traits)


i would assume that "they" and "their" would follow the same rules re: eligible antecedents. they're essentially the same pronoun, although one is a possessive form.

this is one of those cases in which the pronoun is technically ambiguous in every choice in which it appears.
in such problems, you should then use parallelism between pronoun and antecedent, as well as clarity of meaning, to make your choice. in this sentence, each of "many biological traits" and "they" is the subject of its clause, so the pronoun-antecedent relationship follows.

see these threads, too.
http://www.manhattangmat.net.in/forums/ ... html#11274
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/og- ... t1323.html


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 Post Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:59 pm 
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StaceyKoprince wrote:
you can use "due to" and "because of" in any sentence - you just have to structure the sentence correctly around this phrase. This is a bit of a red herring here - they're trying to get you to spend time deciding based on those two sets of words rather than base the decision on what you should be basing it on.


Is equally correct to use DUE TO or BECAUSE OF? Please explain.
I would like to contrast this post with other example form the Question Banks:
B is the correct answer, but the explanation why E is incorrect is the following:

Though formerly considered ill-formed and primitive, Henri Rousseau has become an iconic figure of Post-Impressionism for his dream-like canvases painted like he was naive.

Henri Rousseau has become an iconic figure of Post-Impressionism for his dream-like canvases painted like he was naive.
Henri Rousseau's canvases, painted in a naive, dream-like style, later established the artist as an icon of Post-Impressionism.
Henri Rousseau painted canvases in a naive, dream-like style that has become an icon of Post-Impressionism.
Henri Rousseau's canvases were painted in a naive, dream-like style that was later iconic of Post-Impressionism.
the canvases of Henri Rousseau are icons of Post-Impressionism due to being painted in a naive, dream-like style.


(E) The subject "the canvases of Henri Rousseau are icons of Post-Impressionism " is incorrect. Rousseau, not his style, later became an icon. Moreover, this choice incorrectly uses "due to" where "because of" would be needed. "Due to" functions as an adjectival phrase and is used to modify a noun (e.g., His failure was due to his laziness). "Because of" functions as an adverbial phrase and is used to modify a verb or verb phrase (e.g., He failed because of his laziness).


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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:08 am 
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here's the easiest way to figure out "due to":

"due to" means "caused by".
if you can't replace "due to" with "caused by", then it's wrong.


for instance:

i was late due to the construction --> incorrect (because you can't say "i was late caused by the construction")

i was late because of the construction --> correct.

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in general, "due to" only applies to nouns, since it means "caused by".

for instance,
the traffic jam was due to an obstruction in the left lane
or
the traffic jam due to the obstruction in the left lane caused 30-minute delays

these are correct because "caused by" works just fine - the noun modified is "the traffic".

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 Post Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:18 am 
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RonPurewal wrote:
Good question.

Your first thought here probably was - and should be - parallelism. However, you're right that 'are not ... but are' and 'are not ... but' would both be legitimately parallel constructions in this context. So, the reasoning goes, we should take the one with one fewer word. Right?

Here's the problem: In the context of this longer, more complicated sentence, the 'but' (without 'are' after it) is, unfortunately, ambiguous. Consider this sentence:
Jimmy was not the typical class president, loved by most of the students, but also hated by a fair number as well; rather, he was loved by all the students.
The most probable reading here is that all of the words 'loved by most of the students, but also hated by a fair number as well' are a description of 'the typical class president.'

If you look at choice C, it can be read this way; one could (probably should, even) take ALL the words '...favored because they enhance reproduction or survival, but simply random byproducts...' as an elaboration on the phrase 'products of natural selection'.
It's harder to see than in the example of Jimmy, above, for two reasons:
(1) Because of the way the original sentence is written, you're biased toward reading the sentence the way it's 'supposed' to be written. (In the example with Jimmy, there's no prompt sentence, so you're free to read it as you like.)
(2) It's longer.

Hope this helps.


good example! Get what u mean but still have some trouble.

For what u say about the Jimmy's example, yeah,that makes sense. Since the "loved" and "hated" are parallel, it might be easy for people to take them together to modify "the typical class president". But the situation is quite different in this prep problem.Here,"favored..."and"...byproducts"are totally two different structures. If we just combine them together to modifier the "the products of natural selection", the "but" then serves in an extremely unparalleled way. I have once read that u need to put "but" in a quite paralleled way unless the "but" is used before a clause. Thus I don't think the sentence has any ambiguous problem. Could u explain that to me?

Hope for your answer. Thanks~


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 Post Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:34 pm 
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RonPurewal wrote:
there are two ways of reading the sentence if choice c is inserted. here they are, with the boldface in each indicating exactly what is construed as a modifier:

1) Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many biological traits are not the products of natural selection, favored because they enhance reproduction or survival, but simply random by-products of other evolutionary developments. --> this is the most obvious reading

2) Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many biological traits are not the products of natural selection, favored because they enhance reproduction or survival, but simply random by-products of other evolutionary developments. --> counterintuitive if you know anything about evolutionary biology, but grammatically ok -- and therefore a competing interpretation, which is fatal to clarity.


Hi Ron, I still have trouble understanding the second reading.

I believe that if we remove the part "favored because they enhance reproduction or survival" the ambiguity disappears

Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many biological traits are not the products of natural selection,but simply random by-products of other evolutionary developments.

Correct me if I'm wrong please. Therefore "but simply random by-products of other evolutionary developments" cannot refer to natural selection in the second reading. Also I don't know what kind of modifier it would be

"natural selection (noun) ,but simply random by-products (noun)

what does "but simply random by-products of other evolutionary developments" then refer to?

thank you in advance.


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 Post Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:26 am 
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Hi Ron, I still have trouble understanding the second reading.

I believe that if we remove the part "favored because they enhance reproduction or survival" the ambiguity disappears


invalid reasoning. that's a circular argument; you're assuming that it's interpretation #1 in order to prove that it's interpretation #1.

viz.,
you can only remove the part you want to remove IF you use interpretation #1.

if you construe "X, but Y" as the modifier (interpretation #2), then you can't just remove "X" - you can't take away half of a modifier.

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let me clear this up with an example that ONLY has interpretation #2:

the man rampaged through the hallway, shooting Leonard, who had been standing in the doorway, but missing Donald, who had been hiding behind a pole.

you can't remove only the words "shooting ... doorway", since that's only half of the purple modifier.

the same problem affects your interpretation above.

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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2010 3:13 pm 
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I think Ron said when you have one part parallelism signals such as "and, or, but etc", you look for the words coming after signals as these words are 'locked in' words. So does that mean we are not bound by existing words in the first part?

To be more specific. Choice (a) says.. has "that" in the second part of the signal and we have "that" in the first part of signal as well. hence this is parallel

choice (d) , on the other hand, has 'are',which is also present in the first half. But first half also contains 'that' but since our locked in word is 'are' we no longer care about 'that' in first part as we did in choice (a) Is this correct assessment?


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 Post Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:06 am 
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purduesr wrote:
I think Ron said when you have one part parallelism signals such as "and, or, but etc", you look for the words coming after signals as these words are 'locked in' words. So does that mean we are not bound by existing words in the first part?

To be more specific. Choice (a) says.. has "that" in the second part of the signal and we have "that" in the first part of signal as well. hence this is parallel

choice (d) , on the other hand, has 'are',which is also present in the first half. But first half also contains 'that' but since our locked in word is 'are' we no longer care about 'that' in first part as we did in choice (a) Is this correct assessment?


absolutely correct assessment. bravo.

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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 7:51 pm 
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Hi Ron,

Thanks for the wonderful explanations here.


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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Sun May 23, 2010 2:52 am 
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Yes, very impressive Ron, as usual. We're glad he sorted that.


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RonPurewal wrote:
Sputnik wrote:
Hi Guys

Can someone please explain why choice E is wrong ... ???

Thanks
Sputnik


'because of enhancing' = incorrect idiom
not only is this an incorrect idiom, but it also eliminates any reference as to exactly what enhances reproduction or survival.



Why 'because of enhancing' is an incorrect idiom? Please clarify.


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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 3:09 pm 
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Ranjeet,

Incorrect idiom is incorrect because its incorrect. You just have to know them

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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:33 pm 
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Sunil is correct. Idioms must be memorized.

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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:21 pm 
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Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many biological traits are not the products of natural selection, favored due to their enhancement of reproduction or survival, but that they are simply random by-products of other evolutionary developments.

(A) due to their enhancement of reproduction or survival, but that they are

(B) due to the reproduction or survival they enhance, but they are

(C) because they enhance reproduction or survival, but

(D) because they enhance reproduction or survival, but are

(E) because of enhancing reproduction or survival, but are



Good question and great explanations. Just to add my 2 cents:

As Ron has mentioned above this question contains 1 red herring: the pronoun issue, which is prevalent in all the potentially close answer options.

There are 2 core issues being tested here (1) parallelism and (2) advanced construction (see strategy guide lesson on VANs). Issue (1) has been discussed in much detail. Regarding issue (2), experts please correct me if I am wrong, I narrowed it down to options (C) and (D) because both contain crisp sounding action verbs as compared to the damp sounding nouns in the other options. Then I picked (D) because of parallelism. Is that correct?

Cheers,
Abhi


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 Post subject: Re: Paleontologist Stephen Jay Gould has argued that many
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 6:39 am 
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gs.abhinav wrote:
Good question and great explanations. Just to add my 2 cents:

As Ron has mentioned above this question contains 1 red herring: the pronoun issue, which is prevalent in all the potentially close answer options.

There are 2 core issues being tested here (1) parallelism and (2) advanced construction (see strategy guide lesson on VANs). Issue (1) has been discussed in much detail. Regarding issue (2), experts please correct me if I am wrong, I narrowed it down to options (C) and (D) because both contain crisp sounding action verbs as compared to the damp sounding nouns in the other options. Then I picked (D) because of parallelism. Is that correct?

Cheers,
Abhi


hi -- (c) vs. (d) has been discussed earlier in this thread. i know it's a long thread, but please read through it.
thanks.

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