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 Post subject: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:22 pm 
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Eighty percent of the lights at Hotel California are switched on at 8 p.m. one evening. However, forty percent of the lights that are supposed to be switched off are actually switched on, and ten percent of the lights that are supposed to be switched on are actually switched off. What percent of the lights that are switched on are supposed to be switched off?
A 22(2/9)%
B 16(2/3)%
C 11(1/9)%
D 10%
E 5%


Could you explain as far as overlapping sets are concerned, how we should know whether to use a double-set matrix or a venn diagram? Am I mistaken that a double-set matrix is useful only for problems involving two sets, but not for those involving more? The solution to this problem, taken from MGMAT's CAT 3, uses a double-set matrix, but it seems to me that we're dealing with four sets here. What am I missing? What should I be looking for in overlapping set problems that tells me whether to use the matrix, and how to set it up?

Thanks for you help!


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 Post subject: Re: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:57 am 
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We use a double set matrix when there are two factors, and each factor has only two distinct possibilities.

There's one factor: lights that were supposed to be switch on or off.
The other factor is: lights that actually were switched on or off.

Assuming 100 lights, our double set matrix would look like:
Code:
-----------| supposed to be off | supposed to be on  |  total
actual off |                    |  .1(100-x)         |
--------------------------------------------------------------
actual on  |    .4x             |                    |  80
--------------------------------------------------------------
total      |           x        |      100-x         |  100


We can continue to fill out the table.

Code:
-----------| supposed to be off | supposed to be on  |  total
actual off |    .6x             |  .1(100-x)         |  20
--------------------------------------------------------------
actual on  |    .4x             |  .9(100-x)         |  80
--------------------------------------------------------------
total      |           x        |      100-x         |  100


Our question is: What percent of the lights that are switched on are supposed to be switched off?

So we are looking for the numerical value of (.4x/80) *100% or (x/2) %

We can figure out using the lights actually on that
.4x + .9(100 - x) = 80
.4x + 90 - .9x = 80
.5x = 10
x = 20
(Alternately, you can also use the lights actually off)

so (x/2)% = 10%

I got (D)

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 Post subject: Re: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:38 pm 
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Hi Ben, I chose the following matrix instead of your correct one, however I can't tell how to recognize the correct route?

here's mine:

----------| supposed to be off | supposed to be on | total
actual off | .6(100-x) | .1x | 20
--------------------------------------------------------------
actual on | .4(100-x) | .9x | 80
--------------------------------------------------------------
total | 100-x | x | 100


And the final step as:
numerical value of (.4(100-x)/80) *100%

.4(100-x) + .9x = 80
40 - .4x +.9x = 80
.5x = 40
x = 80

(.4(100-x)/80) *100% = 80/80 = 1 --> Not Correct!

It's also not an answer option.. Do you know how I can prevent going down this path and losing time? It looks like a 50/50 chance between choosing your correct matrix and this one, and I don't understand the rationale?

Thanks very much!


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 Post subject: Re: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:23 am 
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All your work is correct, you just messed up your math slightly

(.4(100-x)/80) *100% = 80/80 = 1 --> Not Correct!

if x = 80 =>

(.4(100-80)/80) x 100% =
(.4(20)/80) x 100% =
(8/80) x 100% = 10% (correct)


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 Post subject: Re: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:34 am 
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dschneid2010 wrote:
All your work is correct, you just messed up your math slightly

(.4(100-x)/80) *100% = 80/80 = 1 --> Not Correct!

if x = 80 =>

(.4(100-80)/80) x 100% =
(.4(20)/80) x 100% =
(8/80) x 100% = 10% (correct)


yep -- good correction.


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 Post subject: Re: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 3:47 pm 
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I understand how you got the 10%. However, I believe the question stem is a little confusing.

What percent of the lights that are switched on are supposed to be switched off?

10% of the lights that are on are supposed to be off. (i.e. 10% of 80 = 8 are on but supposed to be off)
but at the same time
8% of the total number of lights are switched on but are supposed to be off (i.e. 8% of 100 = 8 are on but supposed to be off)

Thanks


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 Post subject: Re: Overlapping Sets
 Post Posted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 1:26 pm 
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Whatever comes after the "of" is the whole of which the perecnt expresses a part. So there is no ambiguity here.

X% of Y means (x/100)(y).

So, "what percent of the lights that are switched" means (x/100)(the # of lights that are switched on)=....


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