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Mike
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Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 1:35 pm |
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Set S consists of five consecutive integers, and set T consists of seven consecutive integers. Is the median of the numbers in set S equal to the median of the numbers in set T?
1) The median of the numbers in Set S is 0.
2) The sum of the numbers in set S is equal to the sum of the numbers in set T.
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Ron Purewal
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:18 am |
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| Mike wrote: |
Set S consists of five consecutive integers, and set T consists of seven consecutive integers. Is the median of the numbers in set S equal to the median of the numbers in set T?
1) The median of the numbers in Set S is 0.
2) The sum of the numbers in set S is equal to the sum of the numbers in set T. |
this is another problem about a topic that is one of the darlings of the test authors: namely, sets of consecutive integers, especially as pertaining to the averages of such sets.
here is the fact that you absolutely must know about these sets:
the mean and the median of a set of consecutive integers are the same; both of them are the middle number (for a set with an odd # of numbers in it) or halfway between the two middle numbers (for a set with an even # of numbers in it).
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remember that average = sum / number of data points. you should be ultra-aware of this relationship; the vast majority of problems about the sum of a set are really concerned with the average - and vice versa. they are tricky, those test writers.
let ' X' stand for the sum of each of the sets.
(1) is clearly insufficient, as we know nothing whatsoever about set t.
still, take the time to interpret it: it says that the middle number of set s is 0, which also means that the sum of the elements in set s is 0 (by the fact above).
(2)
using the fact above, we have that the average (whether mean or median - they're the same) of the numbers in set s is X/5, and the average (again, mean or median) of the numbers in set t is X/7.
it's tempting to say 'sufficient' here, because at first glance X/5 and X/7 appear to be necessarily different, but they aren't: in the singular case X = 0, the two will be identical.
therefore, insufficient.
(together)
this tells us that X = 0, which means that the median of both sets is 0/7 = 0/5 = 0.
sufficient.
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:45 am |
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| RPurewal wrote: |
| Mike wrote: |
Set S consists of five consecutive integers, and set T consists of seven consecutive integers. Is the median of the numbers in set S equal to the median of the numbers in set T?
1) The median of the numbers in Set S is 0.
2) The sum of the numbers in set S is equal to the sum of the numbers in set T. |
this is another problem about a topic that is one of the darlings of the test authors: namely, sets of consecutive integers, especially as pertaining to the averages of such sets.
here is the fact that you absolutely must know about these sets:
the mean and the median of a set of consecutive integers are the same; both of them are the middle number (for a set with an odd # of numbers in it) or halfway between the two middle numbers (for a set with an even # of numbers in it).
--
remember that average = sum / number of data points. you should be ultra-aware of this relationship; the vast majority of problems about the sum of a set are really concerned with the average - and vice versa. they are tricky, those test writers.
let 'X' stand for the sum of each of the sets.
(1) is clearly insufficient, as we know nothing whatsoever about set t.
still, take the time to interpret it: it says that the middle number of set s is 0, which also means that the sum of the elements in set s is 0 (by the fact above).
(2)
using the fact above, we have that the average (whether mean or median - they're the same) of the numbers in set s is X/5, and the average (again, mean or median) of the numbers in set t is X/7.
it's tempting to say 'sufficient' here, because at first glance X/5 and X/7 appear to be necessarily different, but they aren't: in the singular case X = 0, the two will be identical.
therefore, insufficient.
(together)
this tells us that X = 0, which means that the median of both sets is 0/7 = 0/5 = 0.
sufficient. |
hello RON
I have a doubt. I think 2 is sufficient
the sum of these two sets(sets of consecutive integers) will be equal only when the sum is zero.
if there are 5 and 6 elemenmts of consecutive integers then sum will be equal without being zero.
eg 5 consecutive integers 1,2,3,4,5 sum = 15
6 consecutive integers 0,1,2,3,4,5 sum= 15
5 consecutive integers -1, -2, 0, 1, 2
7 consecutive integers -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3 else sum can,t be equal
IMO B is the answer. please RON guid me if I m wrong
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shaji
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:57 am |
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| sanj wrote: |
| RPurewal wrote: |
| Mike wrote: |
Set S consists of five consecutive integers, and set T consists of seven consecutive integers. Is the median of the numbers in set S equal to the median of the numbers in set T?
1) The median of the numbers in Set S is 0.
2) The sum of the numbers in set S is equal to the sum of the numbers in set T. |
this is another problem about a topic that is one of the darlings of the test authors: namely, sets of consecutive integers, especially as pertaining to the averages of such sets.
here is the fact that you absolutely must know about these sets:
the mean and the median of a set of consecutive integers are the same; both of them are the middle number (for a set with an odd # of numbers in it) or halfway between the two middle numbers (for a set with an even # of numbers in it).
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remember that average = sum / number of data points. you should be ultra-aware of this relationship; the vast majority of problems about the sum of a set are really concerned with the average - and vice versa. they are tricky, those test writers.
let 'X' stand for the sum of each of the sets.
(1) is clearly insufficient, as we know nothing whatsoever about set t.
still, take the time to interpret it: it says that the middle number of set s is 0, which also means that the sum of the elements in set s is 0 (by the fact above).
(2)
using the fact above, we have that the average (whether mean or median - they're the same) of the numbers in set s is X/5, and the average (again, mean or median) of the numbers in set t is X/7.
it's tempting to say 'sufficient' here, because at first glance X/5 and X/7 appear to be necessarily different, but they aren't: in the singular case X = 0, the two will be identical.
therefore, insufficient.
(together)
this tells us that X = 0, which means that the median of both sets is 0/7 = 0/5 = 0.
sufficient. |
hello RON
I have a doubt. I think 2 is sufficient
the sum of these two sets(sets of consecutive integers) will be equal only when the sum is zero.
if there are 5 and 6 elemenmts of consecutive integers then sum will be equal without being zero.
eg 5 consecutive integers 1,2,3,4,5 sum = 15
6 consecutive integers 0,1,2,3,4,5 sum= 15
5 consecutive integers -1, -2, 0, 1, 2
7 consecutive integers -3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3 else sum can,t be equal
IMO B is the answer. please RON guid me if I m wrong |
"the sum of these two sets(sets of consecutive integers) will be equal only when the sum is zero. " is incorrect.
Ex: Set S could be 5,6,7,8 & 9 while Set T could be 2,3,4,5.6.7 & 8 and these sets have equal sums.
There are umpteen other examples.
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sanj
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:17 am |
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"the sum of these two sets(sets of consecutive integers) will be equal only when the sum is zero. " is incorrect.
Ex: Set S could be 5,6,7,8 & 9 while Set T could be 2,3,4,5.6.7 & 8 and these sets have equal sums.
There are umpteen other examples.[/quote]
thanx a lot shaji
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:40 am |
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| Mike wrote: |
Set S consists of five consecutive integers, and set T consists of seven consecutive integers. Is the median of the numbers in set S equal to the median of the numbers in set T?
1) The median of the numbers in Set S is 0.
2) The sum of the numbers in set S is equal to the sum of the numbers in set T. |
A) INSUFFICIENT because it mentions nothing about Set T
The median of Set S = S + 2
The median of Set T = T + 3
Does S + 2 = T + 3?
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Does S = T + 1?
B) Says that: 5S + 10 = 7T + 21
5S = 7T + 1
You can put S = 3 T= 2 TEST S= T + 1 YES
You can put S = -4 T=-3 TEST S = T - 1 NO
INSUFFICIENT
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NZOMNIAC
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:31 pm |
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RON UR EXPLANATION SEEMS TO BE INCORRECT....?
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Raj
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:43 pm |
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This is how I viewed this problem:
S = {n-2, n-1, n, n+1, n+2}
T = {m-3, m-2, m-1, m, m+1, m+2, m+3}
Based on this, Median/Mean of S = n, Median/Mean of T = m
From given Statement 2) the sum of each set is the same, hence m = n (because n-2+n-1+n+n+1+n+2 = n and same for m)
Answer is B.
-Raj
| RPurewal wrote: |
| Mike wrote: |
Set S consists of five consecutive integers, and set T consists of seven consecutive integers. Is the median of the numbers in set S equal to the median of the numbers in set T?
1) The median of the numbers in Set S is 0.
2) The sum of the numbers in set S is equal to the sum of the numbers in set T. |
this is another problem about a topic that is one of the darlings of the test authors: namely, sets of consecutive integers, especially as pertaining to the averages of such sets.
here is the fact that you absolutely must know about these sets:
the mean and the median of a set of consecutive integers are the same; both of them are the middle number (for a set with an odd # of numbers in it) or halfway between the two middle numbers (for a set with an even # of numbers in it).
--
remember that average = sum / number of data points. you should be ultra-aware of this relationship; the vast majority of problems about the sum of a set are really concerned with the average - and vice versa. they are tricky, those test writers.
let 'X' stand for the sum of each of the sets.
(1) is clearly insufficient, as we know nothing whatsoever about set t.
still, take the time to interpret it: it says that the middle number of set s is 0, which also means that the sum of the elements in set s is 0 (by the fact above).
(2)
using the fact above, we have that the average (whether mean or median - they're the same) of the numbers in set s is X/5, and the average (again, mean or median) of the numbers in set t is X/7.
it's tempting to say 'sufficient' here, because at first glance X/5 and X/7 appear to be necessarily different, but they aren't: in the singular case X = 0, the two will be identical.
therefore, insufficient.
(together)
this tells us that X = 0, which means that the median of both sets is 0/7 = 0/5 = 0.
sufficient. |
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Ron Purewal
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Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:27 am |
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| Raj wrote: |
From given Statement 2) the sum of each set is the same, hence m = n (because n-2+n-1+n+n+1+n+2 = n and same for m)
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whoa there
actually, (n - 2) + (n - 1) + (n) + (n + 1) + (n + 2) = 5n, not just n.
the n's are all like terms, but you actually have to add them up!
same goes for the m's, which will give you 7m (not just m).
you are correct, though, that the numbers (-2, -1, 0, 1, 2) cancel.
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