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Post subject: People that are....  Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 4:46 am |
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Book- ManhattanGMAT prep-the new standard 4th edition
page no. 114 Modifiers problem set
Question -
*People that are well informed know that bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine which bears its name.
The solution to this problem as given in the book is-
*Well informed people know that bordeaux is a French region whose most famous export is the wine that bears its name.
Can this also be a solution to this question ?
* People who are well informed know that bordeaux is a French region where most famous export is the wine which bears its name.
Explanation-
1) relative pronoun who is used to modify people so instead of ''that'' can I use ''who''.
2)pronoun ''where'' can be used to modify a noun place so instead of ''whose'' can i use ''where''.
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 1:40 pm |
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1) Yes, you can use "people who are well-informed" as well as "well-informed people." Both are grammatically correct.
2) You can use "where" as well, but not quite in the way that you used it. See below.
People who are well informed know that bordeaux is a French region where THE most famous export is the wine which bears its name.
If you use "where," you need an article before the noun. ("the" is the article, "export" is the noun.)
Note that using both of those make the sentence less desirable (because it is wordy), but not grammatically incorrect.
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sixsigma1978
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:45 pm |
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Can someone tell me why "its" in the correct answer above is indeed correct?
Isn't there a Pronounce antecedent ambiguity here? "its" could be pointing to either Bordeaux or French Region!
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:26 am |
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Hi sixsigma,
In this case, Bordeaux is the name of the French region in question, therefore there is no ambiguity. Consider this sentence:
Hannah, the woman whom I met last week, just got her MBA.
There is no doubt who got her MBA. It must be Hannah! The same is true in the wine sentence. Yes, there is more than one region in France, but Bordeaux is the one being discussed. Since there is not more than one different thing that "its" could refer to, there is no need to repeat the noun.
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 12:51 am |
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 3:33 pm |
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Thanks all!
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:46 am |
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People that are well informed know that bordeaux is a french place whose most famous export is the wine which bears its name.
Why are we replacing which at the end of the sentence with That.
the which in the sentence is not seperated by a comma and is an essential modifier. is it necessary that all essential modifiers should start with that? Please help
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:54 pm |
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BUMP! I really don't understand the study guide's explanation for this either: "The context of this sentence calls for an essential clause to modify the wine, since the point of the clause is to identify the wine. If the sentence ended with 'the wine', it would be incomplete. The clause shoudl therefore begin with 'that' rather than 'which'. Any thoughts? devinawilliam83 wrote: Why are we replacing which at the end of the sentence with That.
the which in the sentence is not seperated by a comma and is an essential modifier. is it necessary that all essential modifiers should start with that? Please help
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dynamicOverlord
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:00 pm |
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I guess the argument for using that instead of which stems from whether "bears its name" is essential to the sentence. if it is, you need to use 'that', if it isn't 'which' is appropriate. Because there isn't a comma before "which bears its name", we can assume that this information is essential to the argument, and thus needs to use 'that.' dynamicOverlord wrote: BUMP! I really don't understand the study guide's explanation for this either: "The context of this sentence calls for an essential clause to modify the wine, since the point of the clause is to identify the wine. If the sentence ended with 'the wine', it would be incomplete. The clause shoudl therefore begin with 'that' rather than 'which'. Any thoughts? devinawilliam83 wrote: Why are we replacing which at the end of the sentence with That.
the which in the sentence is not seperated by a comma and is an essential modifier. is it necessary that all essential modifiers should start with that? Please help
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:00 am |
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Nice explanation, dynamic! Yes, I agree; since this part is necessary to the argument it should be introduced by a "that" with no commas.
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 5:14 am |
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but i can‘t understand why we use “whose”according to meaning，thx~
ask again~
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tim
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Post subject: Re: People that are.... Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:55 pm |
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not sure why you ended your post with "ask again"; are you requesting that someone else ask again?
as for "whose", that's just the way it is. even though i would personally argue that the GMAT is objectively wrong to use "whose" to modify inanimate objects, they do it all the time so you just need to be prepared for this to happen on your test and go with what they think is right..
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