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 Post subject: Is SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:14 am 
Is SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?

1) -x|x|>0
2)5-x>0

Ans- D ( BOTH SUFFICIENT)

Source: Gmatprep 2

Please explain?


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 Post Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:14 pm 
Hey RON-

I have an exan next week. ur explanation here would be great help!


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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:43 am 
SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?

SQRT ( (x-5)^2 = |x-5|

|x-5| = 5-x

Now the above equation has two values

x-5 = 5-x or -(x-5) = 5-x depending on whether (x-5) > or < 0

1. -x|x| > 0

the above is possible only for x < 0, therefore (x-5) < 0

|x-5| = 5-x this becomes - - - > -(x-5) = 5-x and hence sufficient

2. Clearly states that (x-5) < 0 so this is sufficient and the answer is D

Hope this helps you. All teh best for your exam.


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:40 am 
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this is an excellent explanation, to which i'll add only a few comments.

mbarshaik wrote:
SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?

SQRT ( (x-5)^2 = |x-5|


general takeaway here:
squaring a quantity, and then square-rooting, is equivalent to taking the absolute value.
remember this.

Quote:
|x-5| = 5-x

Now the above equation has two values

x-5 = 5-x or -(x-5) = 5-x depending on whether (x-5) > or < 0


we can make this more clear:
|x - 5| can be either (x - 5), the actual quantity within the absolute-value bars, or (5 - x), the opposite of that quantity.
if it's to be the original quantity (x - 5), then that quantity must be at least 0: x > 5.
if it's to be the opposite (5 - x), then that opposite quantity must be at least 0. for that to happen, x < 5.
(notice that, if x is actually 5, then |x - 5| equals both (x - 5) and (5 - x), since both of them are zero.)

therefore, we can rephrase the question:
is x < 5?

Quote:
1. -x|x| > 0

the above is possible only for x < 0, therefore (x-5) < 0


when you see this statement, it may bewilder you at first, but you should look at it and think: "ok, just absolute-value bars and negative signs. no other numbers; no other operations; this could only possibly have to do with the sign of x."
then just test it to see whether it works for PNZ (positive, negative, zero).
turns out that it only works for negative numbers.
therefore, rephrase:
(1) x < 0

this is sufficient, since x is definitely less than 5 if it's negative.

Quote:
2. Clearly states that (x-5) < 0 so this is sufficient and the answer is D


nothing to add.


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 Post subject: Re: Is SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?
 Post Posted: Tue Jun 29, 2010 10:18 pm 
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Ron,

Can you please explain what you mean by:

if it's to be the original quantity (x - 5), then that quantity must be at least 0: x > 5.
if it's to be the opposite (5 - x), then that opposite quantity must be at least 0. for that to happen, x < 5.
(notice that, if x is actually 5, then |x - 5| equals both (x - 5) and (5 - x), since both of them are zero.)

Why must the left side of the equation be at least zero? Where did you get that information from?

Been reading your explanation over and over again, I get everything else except for that part. I understand that if you plug in numbers, like -6 vs. 6, the answer is very obvious, but I want to know how you can solve this problem without doing that. Please help! Thank you!


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 Post subject: Re: Is SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 8:58 am 
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veronica.tong wrote:
Ron,

Can you please explain what you mean by:

if it's to be the original quantity (x - 5), then that quantity must be at least 0: x > 5.
if it's to be the opposite (5 - x), then that opposite quantity must be at least 0. for that to happen, x < 5.
(notice that, if x is actually 5, then |x - 5| equals both (x - 5) and (5 - x), since both of them are zero.)

Why must the left side of the equation be at least zero? Where did you get that information from?

Been reading your explanation over and over again, I get everything else except for that part. I understand that if you plug in numbers, like -6 vs. 6, the answer is very obvious, but I want to know how you can solve this problem without doing that. Please help! Thank you!


absolute values must be at least 0.

consider a simpler expression: just |x|.
this expression is equal to x, whenever x is at least 0.
however, this expression is equal to -x, whenever -x is at least 0 (i.e., whenever x < 0).

the same sort of thing is happening here, except now it's (x - 5) instead of just x, and (5 - x) instead of just -x.

does that help?


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 Post subject: Re: Is SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?
 Post Posted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:14 am 
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Hi Ron,

Under normal circumstances, I would arrive at
|x-5| = 5-x and then try to solve for x

Case 1: |x-5| is +ve
    x-5 = 5-x
    2x = 10
    x = 5

Case 2: |x-5| is -ve
    -(x-5) = 5-x
    5-x = 5-x
    no solution

At this stage i will be stuck. As I will try to rephrase the question as
Is x = 5 or is x = ? (no solution).

This is the way we normally solve for equations to find possible values for x. What is wrong with this approach?


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 Post subject: Re: Is SQRT( (x-5)^2 =5-x?
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 9:33 am 
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Bad idea in general. You should never "arrive at" |x-5|=5-x and then solve for x using the statements. |x-5|=5-x is the question that is being asked. You can simplify the equation in the question, but don't ever take it as a given and try to analyze the statements. This is exactly the opposite of what you should do. Always take the information in the statements in the given and try to answer the question, NOT vice versa..

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