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 Post subject: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:17 pm 
Hi I don't know how to apporach these problems, thanks for your help!

#14 If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are chosen at random, what is the probability that their product will be of the form of x^2 -(by)^2, where b is an integer?

a. 1/2 b. 1/3 c. 1/4 d. 1/5 e. 1/6

# 25 for any positive integer n, the length of n is defined as the number of prime factors whose product is n. For example, the length of 75 is 3, since 75 = 3x5x5. How many two-digit positive integers have length 6?

a. none b. one c. two d. three e. four


#27 If m and r are two nmbers on a number line, what is the value of r?

1. the distance between r and 0 is 3 times the distance between m and 0

2. 12 is halfway between m and r

I chose C because I thought m=6, and r=18, which would satisfy both statemtn 1 and 2.

Is there another possibility that makes r to be a different value?


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 Post Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:35 am 
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#14

Start to write out the possibilities for the products (but keep an eye out for shortcuts):
1) (x+y)(x-y) = x^2 - y^2 (you should have this memorized, as it is one of the 3 common quadratics) This matches the form, with b = 1
2) (x+y)(x+5y) = x^2 +5xy + xy + 5y^2 = x^2 + 6xy + 5y^2 This does not match the form because we've got a 6xy term.
3) (x+y)(5x-y) = don't do this one - because of the previous one, you should see this is not going to give you the right form
4) (x+5y)(x-y) = ditto
5) (x+5y)(5x-y) = 5x^2 stop here - this is not the right form
6) (x-y)(5x-y) = ditto

Six possibilities and only one gives you the right form, so the answer is 1/6.


#25
They give us the example that 75 = length 3 b/c 75 = 3*5*5. 3*5*5 represents the prime factorization of 75. Then they want a 2-digit integer whose length is 6 - the key shortcut here is to recognize that 6 is a lot of digits but the product can be only a 2-digit integer, so there can't be that many options. Start with the smallest possibility.

The smallest one is going to be based on prime number 2 (b/c this is the smallest prime number). Try 6 2's: 2*2*2*2*2*2 = 64. So there's one possibliity. The next smallest possibility would be to replace one of those 2's with the next largest prime number (3): 2*2*2*2*2*3 = 96. Possibility #2. Next, we could replace another 2 with a 3... but if you think about it, you may be able to tell that this won't give you a 2-digit integer. (If you're not sure, actually check the math.)

#27
Tricky one. Here they ask us for the actual value (of r), not just the distance between the two points, which means we have to be able to find one (and ONLY one) number for r.

I assume you dealt with statements 1 and 2 individually okay, because you got yourself down to C and E. Don't forget about negative numbers. Statement 1 only says that r is 3 times the distance - it doesn't say the actual number is 3x. It could be -3x. So, m could be 6 and r 18. But m could also be -12 and r 36. That pair still satisfies both requirements.

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 Post Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 9:46 am 
Q14.

x^2-(by)^2=(x+by)(x-by)

so we are looking for a structure similar to x+by or x-by
we can eliminate 5x-y, x+5y.
the only possibility is using x+y, x-y. this gives us only one option.
2/4 for choosing any one of the four numbers. 1/3 is for choosing the other number.
(2/4)*(1/3)=1/6.


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 Post Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:02 am 
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rtfact wrote:
Q14.

x^2-(by)^2=(x+by)(x-by)

so we are looking for a structure similar to x+by or x-by
we can eliminate 5x-y, x+5y.
the only possibility is using x+y, x-y. this gives us only one option.
2/4 for choosing any one of the four numbers. 1/3 is for choosing the other number.
(2/4)*(1/3)=1/6.


correct.

notice that you eliminate (5x - y) because it has the wrong form: you can't have a coefficient in front of x. (i.e., it needs to be (x + by), not (ax + by))

however, you're eliminating (x + 5y) not because it has the wrong form but, rather, because its "partner", (x - 5y), is absent.


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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:15 pm 
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Hi Ron,
Can you please explain the last part of the problem
My understanding stop after you kept X-Y ,X+y and eliminate the others
how did you get to those number.
2/4 for choosing any one of the four numbers. 1/3 is for choosing the other number.
(2/4)*(1/3)=1/6.


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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 9:17 am 
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If m and r are two nmbers on a number line, what is the value of r?

1. the distance between r and 0 is 3 times the distance between m and 0

2. 12 is halfway between m and r

I am still lost what is the correct answer for above question and how to go about doing it


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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 4:34 pm 
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agha79 wrote:
If m and r are two nmbers on a number line, what is the value of r?

1. the distance between r and 0 is 3 times the distance between m and 0

2. 12 is halfway between m and r

I am still lost what is the correct answer for above question and how to go about doing it

The correct answer is E.

Method 1: Visual/Number Line approach.
(1) r is 3 times farther away from 0 than m is. But we have no "distances" given, nor any info about sign (i.e. is m left or right of 0?)

(2) On a number line, put a dot at 12. Put two dots on either side of it for m and r. What can vary? The distance between m and r--they can be very close to 12, or both very far away. Also, we don't know whether m is the dot to the left or to the right of 12.

(1)&(2) together: We still don't know distances (from 12 or 0), or whether m is left or right of r.
We can either have (case A) r = 18 and m = 6 or (case B) r = 36 and m = -12.

Method 2: Algebra approach
(1) r = +/-3m
(2) r-12 = 12-m, or r+m = 24.
(1)&(2) together: r+m= (+/-3m)+m = 24. Either 4m = 24 (i.e. m=6) or -2m = 24 (i.e. m = -12).

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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:15 pm 
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Thanks Emily:)

Makes sense now


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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:00 am 
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imanemekouar wrote:
Hi Ron,
Can you please explain the last part of the problem
My understanding stop after you kept X-Y ,X+y and eliminate the others
how did you get to those number.
2/4 for choosing any one of the four numbers. 1/3 is for choosing the other number.
(2/4)*(1/3)=1/6.


this is basic sequential probability. you can choose either of these items first, out of four, giving you a probability of 2/4. after you make that choice, only one desired item remains, out of three, giving you a probability of 1/3.
as with all sequential probability, once you find these different probabilities, you must multiply them together.


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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 5:03 am 
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[quote="chester"]

#14 If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are chosen at random, what is the probability that their product will be of the form of x^2 -(by)^2, where b is an integer?

a. 1/2 b. 1/3 c. 1/4 d. 1/5 e. 1/6

quote]

Hi Ron, sorry for opening this thread once again, but could you pls tell me if my approach is incorrect?

The probability of choosing (x+y) =1/4, the probability of choosing (x-y) after the selection of (x+y)= 1/3

Now either of them can be selected first. Hence,

(1/4*1/3) + (1/4*1/3) = 1/6


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 Post subject: Re: If two of the four expressions x+y, x+5y, x-y, and 5x-y are
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:25 pm 
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zaarathelab wrote:
Hi Ron, sorry for opening this thread once again, but could you pls tell me if my approach is incorrect?

The probability of choosing (x+y) =1/4, the probability of choosing (x-y) after the selection of (x+y)= 1/3

Now either of them can be selected first. Hence,

(1/4*1/3) + (1/4*1/3) = 1/6


that works.


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