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 Post subject: 'has been and always will be' Vs 'will always be'
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:38 am 
[url]I came across this SC question in one of the prep materials ( Ive changed the nouns a little bit so that there are no copy right issues) :[/url]

The commissioner claims that he always has been and always will be a member of the Union.

a) Sentence as stated
b) The commssioner claims that he always has and always will be a member of the union.
c) The commissioner claims that he will always be a member of the Union
d) Always having been a member of the union, the commissioner claims taht he will always continue to be so
e) The commssioner has always been a member of the Union, and claims that he will always be.

I was able to narrow down the choices to A or C. In the end I went for C because because i felt use of 'has been and always will be' is redundant.

But the answer is A : The explanation given is that 'has been and always will be' expresses different ideas.



This was an SC question in one of the Manhattan prep materials:

Noting that the price of oil and other fuel components, a major factor in the cost structure of an airline, [url]have risen and will continue to rise, the company management was pessimistic about their[/url]outlook for the upcoming quarter.

I was able to boil down to the following two choices :

b) have risen and will continue to rise, the company management was pessimistic about the
c) will continue to rise, the company management was pessimistic about the

I finally went for B because of the learning from the previous sentence, but manhattan claims that option C is right.

Please let me know which form of usage is correct. Are both the sentences talking about two different concepts?


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 Post Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:53 pm 
I dont find a reason in the second sentence why C is the right answer ..coz C misses the intended meaning in the question . Experts please explain


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 Post subject: Re: 'has been and always will be' Vs 'will always be'
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:22 am 
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kk wrote:
[url]I came across this SC question in one of the prep materials ( Ive changed the nouns a little bit so that there are no copy right issues) :[/url]

The commissioner claims that he always has been and always will be a member of the Union.

a) Sentence as stated
b) The commssioner claims that he always has and always will be a member of the union.
c) The commissioner claims that he will always be a member of the Union
d) Always having been a member of the union, the commissioner claims taht he will always continue to be so
e) The commssioner has always been a member of the Union, and claims that he will always be.

I was able to narrow down the choices to A or C. In the end I went for C because because i felt use of 'has been and always will be' is redundant.

But the answer is A : The explanation given is that 'has been and always will be' expresses different ideas.


they express very different ideas; one is a statement about the entire time leading up to the present, and the other is a statement about the future.

here's a quick way to test for redundancy:
* write the sentence with just the one construction
* write it with just the other one
* if the 2 meanings are identical, then you have redundancy; if they aren't, then you don't.

try that here:
the commissioner has always been a member of the union vs. the commissioner will always be a member of the union
these are definitely different.
therefore, no redundancy.


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This was an SC question in one of the Manhattan prep materials:

Noting that the price of oil and other fuel components, a major factor in the cost structure of an airline, [url]have risen and will continue to rise, the company management was pessimistic about their[/url]outlook for the upcoming quarter.

I was able to boil down to the following two choices :

b) have risen and will continue to rise, the company management was pessimistic about the
c) will continue to rise, the company management was pessimistic about the

I finally went for B because of the learning from the previous sentence, but manhattan claims that option C is right.

Please let me know which form of usage is correct. Are both the sentences talking about two different concepts?


please post this question in a separate thread, and then we'll answer it. thank you in advance.


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