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Post subject: Geologists once thought that the molten rock known as lava  Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 2:57 am |
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Source:Manhattan Gmat Test
Geologists once thought that the molten rock known as lava was an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days, sporadically erupting through volcanoes, but they now know that it is continuously created by the heat of the radioactivity deep inside the planet.
A. was an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days, sporadically erupting
B.had been an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days and sporadically erupted
C.was an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days, which sporadically erupted
D.would be an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days that sporadically erupted
E.was an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days, having sporadically erupted
My doubt is, isn't "sporadically erupting" modifying the "earliest days"? I maybe wrong, but how do I identify when a cluase is getting modified or when is the noun preceeding it.I'm confused in this concept and please help.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:50 pm |
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Haven't forgotten about you Shib! I'm checking something on this one.
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:14 pm |
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Okay, sorry for the delay in answer you! The "ing" ending of erupting essentially allows this modifier to modify an entire clause instead of just the immediately preceding noun (which is the case, for example, in answer choice C - the "which" makes it a noun modifier and it would have to modify "days"). Which, who, where - all of those indicate noun modifiers (and noun modifiers, by definition, have to touch the noun they modify).
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:23 am |
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 12:23 am |
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OA is A
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Post subject: please explain answer choice E Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 2:53 pm |
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Thanks Stacey,
That explanation is very useful
I have a question about answer choice E
Answer choice E) has a participial phrase with past participle (having PLUS erupted) and an action in the past (thought). This makes it a past perfect tense. Also, it modified the entire clause. Any reason why this is wrong OR may be my logic is wrong.
Please comment.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 12:44 am |
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"having erupted" isn't actually the past perfect tense; it is the relative past tense. Past perfect is constructed with "had" and the past participle. "having erupted" indicates that the eruption occurred at a time prior to the other past tense verb, thought.
Now, it could be true that the eruptions only occurred prior to when the geologists thought whatever they thought - but that's not the original meaning given by the sentence. The original sentence indicates that the lava is still erupting, and we have to maintain the original meaning unless there is an actual logical flaw that needs to be corrected for the sentence to make sense.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 2:09 pm |
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Great explanation, Stacey!
It seems like we have to look for the original meaning of the sentence (of course with correct grammar) before deciding an answer. Do you know if GMAT can ask to pick the answer without considering its context relative to original meaning of sentence? For example, if they ask us to decide between the following two choices:
A) Having glanced at the newspaper, I laid it aside.
B) I had glanced at the newspaper and laid it aside.
What is the difference between the two sentences?
I am assuming GMAT will give an answer with a notable difference either in grammar or the meaning in context.
Regards.
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 5:21 pm |
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Hi
Can you explain why it is NOT "sporadically erupted"? I thought it was paralled with "continuously created"
I picked answer choice B the first time around. Thanks!
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Post subject: Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:14 pm |
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If the GMAT bases a wrong answer on a meaning difference, it will be very clear that it is following the meaning of the original sentence. Now, that doesn't mean we'll always notice it - they're pretty good at getting us not to notice things - but if you do notice, you won't be debating about what the original meaning was that needs to be maintained in the right answer.
Re: the parallelism question, be careful about using parallelism just because you want to. A logical reason / rule actually has to exist that requires parallelism in the sentence - a list, an idiom, or reference to the same single noun or verb. This sentence introduces a new clause with "it is continuously created" so there is no need for parallelism here. In addition, we need the -ING form of erupting in order to construct the modifier correctly.
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Post subject: Re: Geologists once thought that the molten rock known as lava Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 3:03 pm |
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is this will be correct answer if i write this sentence :
Geologists once thought that the molten rock known as lava was an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days that sporadically erupted volcanoes, but they now know that it is continuously created by the heat of the radioactivity deep inside the planet.
what is that refering here
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Post subject: Re: Geologists once thought that the molten rock known as lava Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 6:26 pm |
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The word "that" is not clear enough to the word "rock" here. "That" is next to "days," but even that is not the real problem. Before "days" we have "remnants," and it sounds as though "that" is modifying "remnants." (This would probably be okay, even though the "that" is not right next to it; you can't just say "remnants" without describing the remnants - remnants of what? - first.) You mean for "that" to modify "rock."
The bigger problem is that you're using "erupted" as a transitive verb, aka a verb that takes a direct object. "Erupted volcanoes" sounds as though the rock (or whatever you mean "that" to refer back to) affected the volcanoes. "Erupted through volcanoes" would be better.
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Post subject: Re: Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:33 am |
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StaceyKoprince wrote: Okay, sorry for the delay in answer you! The "ing" ending of erupting essentially allows this modifier to modify an entire clause instead of just the immediately preceding noun (which is the case, for example, in answer choice C - the "which" makes it a noun modifier and it would have to modify "days"). Which, who, where - all of those indicate noun modifiers (and noun modifiers, by definition, have to touch the noun they modify). Hi Stacey, Thanks. But the OE said that: "Moreover, the modifier "sporadically erupting through volcanoes" correctly modifies "an underground remnant of Earth's earliest days." Looks to be different from your opinion...can you please tell what indeed is the case ?
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Post subject: Re: Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 8:40 am |
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StaceyKoprince wrote: "having erupted" isn't actually the past perfect tense; it is the relative past tense. Past perfect is constructed with "had" and the past participle. "having erupted" indicates that the eruption occurred at a time prior to the other past tense verb, thought.
Hi Stacey, Thanks a lot !! But the same is the case with past perfect....isn't it.....in two past tenses...the first one is told by past perfect...then what is the difference between having + simple past and had + simple past ? Kindly help !!! Thanks Mohit
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Post subject: Re: Re: Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:02 am |
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goelmohit2002 wrote: StaceyKoprince wrote: "having erupted" isn't actually the past perfect tense; it is the relative past tense. Past perfect is constructed with "had" and the past participle. "having erupted" indicates that the eruption occurred at a time prior to the other past tense verb, thought.
Hi Stacey, Thanks a lot !! But the same is the case with past perfect....isn't it.....in two past tenses...the first one is told by past perfect...then what is the difference between having + simple past and had + simple past ? Kindly help !!! Thanks Mohit hi - you also shouldn't use "having X..." unless having X actually has a direct effect upon the action in the main clause. example: having failed the exam 5 times already, M. was astonished when he received a passing mark.in this case, the relationship is clear. in the answer choice you're discussing, there is no such relationship.
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