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 Post Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:44 am 
Ranjit wrote:
Apologies for bumping up this thread !

Isn't the comparison in "Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel than gasoline engines of comparable size ..." incorrect?

Shouldn't the sentence have a 'do' - "Diesel engines burn as much as ... less fuel than gas engines do? How can a comparison exist between fuel and gasoline engines?

Ron, Could you please help clarify whether my thoughts are correct. Thank you.


While the other more important issues have been addressed, Mr. Ranjit's question above still remains unanswered. I have the same question as well. Ron, can you help me with this?


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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:01 am 
Ranjit wrote:
Apologies for bumping up this thread !

Isn't the comparison in "Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel than gasoline engines of comparable size ..." incorrect?

Shouldn't the sentence have a 'do' - "Diesel engines burn as much as ... less fuel than gas engines do? How can a comparison exist between fuel and gasoline engines?

Ron, Could you please help clarify whether my thoughts are correct. Thank you.


IMO, that should be ok cuz that is understood as Ellipses.


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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:42 am 
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Yeah, the "do" is understood. Furthermore - don't worry yourself trying to fix things that are not underline! : )


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel
 Post Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 5:40 pm 
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So, going back to Raj's question, should we just replace as well as with while?

Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel, "while" emitting far less carbon...

is that appropriate usage? Thanks


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 Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:30 am 
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dwivedys wrote:
Ranjit wrote:
Apologies for bumping up this thread !

Isn't the comparison in "Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel than gasoline engines of comparable size ..." incorrect?

Shouldn't the sentence have a 'do' - "Diesel engines burn as much as ... less fuel than gas engines do? How can a comparison exist between fuel and gasoline engines?

Ron, Could you please help clarify whether my thoughts are correct. Thank you.


While the other more important issues have been addressed, Mr. Ranjit's question above still remains unanswered. I have the same question as well. Ron, can you help me with this?



you don't need the "do" because the comparison is not AMBIGUOUS in the first place.

go read this post, in which i give examples of both (a) a comparison requiring such a helping verb and (b) a comparison that doesn't require one:
post29754.html#p29754

that should take care of this issue. if it doesn't, post back.


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 11:15 am 
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vietst wrote:
Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel than gasoline engines of comparable size, as well as emitting far less carbon dioxide gas and far fewer of the other gasses that have been implicated in global warming.
A of comparable size, as well as emitting far less carbon dioxide gas and far fewer of the other gasses that have
B of comparable size, as well as emit far less carbon dioxide gas and far fewer of the other gasses having
C of comparable size, and also they emit far fewer carbon dioxide and other gasses that have
D that have a comparable size, and also they emit far fewer of the other gasses having
E that have a comparable size, as well as emitting far fewer of the other gasses having
OA is A.
Thanks


Hi, ron or stracey!

what's the different between fewer of and fewer?
i think emitting far fewer the other gasses will sound more logical for the parallel to emitting far less (no of ) carbon dioxide gas .

stephen


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel
 Post Posted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 8:47 am 
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RonPurewal wrote:
in choice b, 'as well as emit' is just plain wrong. memorize this as idiomatic usage if you like, but you can't use 'as well as' with that type of verb form.


Hi Ron, this GMATPrep problem uses the construction as well as in the correct answer choice in a different way


The ecosystems of barrier islands are extremely vulnerable--whether from natural processes like shoreline recession, rising sea levels, and destructive hurricanes, or the ever-increasing pressures of development.

(A) whether from natural processes like shoreline recession, rising sea levels, and destructive hurricanes, or
(B) whether from natural processes such as shoreline recession, rising sea levels, and destructive hurricanes, or also
(C) to processes that are natural like shoreline recession, rising sea levels, and destructive hurricanes, and also
(D) to processes that are natural ones like shoreline recession, rising sea levels, and destructive hurricanes, as well as to
(E) to natural processes such as shoreline recession, rising sea levels, and destructive hurricanes, as well as to

Here's another one.

Gasoline marketing is undergoing major changes as stations often not only add convenience stores but also combine with major fast-food chains to build complexes where customers can shop and eat as well as buy gasoline.



So I believe GMAT accepts the use of "as well as" as a quasi-coordinator as other sources do. For instance
http://books.google.com/books?id=2yJusP ... q=&f=false

look for as well as. I have another sources with examples of as well as coordinating two verbs in present simple.


Perhaps in option A as well as is playing the role of an adverbial modifier, since is preceded by a comma, modifying the previous clause. Another problem in B might the use of having that seems a little awkward at least to me.

What do you think?


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 Post subject: Re: Diesel engines burn as much as 30% less fuel
 Post Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:18 am 
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mikrodj -

in the problem you've cited, "as well as" is followed by an infinitive, complete with "to". therefore, that's a completely different construction than what is being discussed here.

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as far as looking at non-underlined parts of problems, that's a risky game to play. the gmat is sometimes much less careful with those parts.
sometimes, the gmat's writing of the non-underlined parts actually contradicts its own rules. for instance, see this problem:
sc-with-surface-temperatures-estimated-at-minus-230-degrees-t7887.html

in that problem, the non-underlined part contains "estimated at". this is disturbing, since the gmat indicates elsewhere that "estimated at" is unidiomatic. (in fact, choice (a) of OG12 #27 / OG11 #21 is wrong ONLY because of this idiom.)
that's a direct contradiction.
so it's not 100% a good idea to generalize from non-underlined parts.


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