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 Post subject: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 12:47 am 
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Studies have shown that people who keep daily diet records are far more successful at losing weight than people who don’t keep track of what they eat. Researchers believe that many weight-loss efforts fail because people eat more calories than they intend to consume. One study followed a group of patients who reported that they could not lose weight when consuming only 1,200 calories a day. The study found that the group consumed, on average, 47% more than it claimed and exercised 51% less. In contrast, when dieters record what they eat, their actual consumption more closely matches their reported consumption.

The two boldface portions in the argument above are best described by which of the following statements?

a)The first is a conclusion reached by researchers; the second is evidence that that conclusion is correct.
b)The first is an explanation of why a certain theory is thought to be true; the second is an example of research results that support this theory.
c)The first is an example illustrating the truth of a certain theory; the second is a competing theory.
d)The first is a premise upon which the researchers base their opinion; the second illustrates that their opinion is correct.
e)The first introduces a theory that the researchers have disproved; the second is the basis for the researchers’ argument.


I had this question in MGMAT CAT. The OA is D.

I was a little bit confused by this question, I couldnt reasonably make any choice as I did think about all of them as being partially (or totally ) wrong , and I endded up by choosing A. My main point was that I couldnt decide myself if the Study of the first sentence "Studies have shown..." included the following study "One study...." if yes thus it should be the conclusion of the searcher if not thus it is not the conclusion of the searche.

Here is the official correction for answer D :

"CORRECT. The first boldface (diet record = diet success) is a basis for the researchers’ conclusion that many weight-loss efforts fail because people consume more than they intended. The second boldface directly illustrates how weight-loss efforts of a certain group failed for exactly that reason."

My problem with this sentence is I dont understand how we can link the searcher with the studies of the first sentence. The answer D tell us that the first boldface is a premise for the searcher conclusion, but I dont know how we can actually consider that the searcher used these research as a premise, instead it is more logical to think that if the study show something then it is the conclusion of the searchers who made them... NOTHING tell us that the searcher actually knew or used these study before reaching the conclusion stated in the second sentence... For me these two sentences come together and are both part of a same conlcusion...

I see the tenses can be a clue because one is written as "have shown" while the searcher actually "believe".

Is it possible to confirm me that the main indicator that the searcher actually used the Former study to reach their conclusion is actually the tense of the verb ? If not how can you infer that the searcher used the conclusion of the former study to reach their own conclusion ? and why the "one study" is not included in the "Studies have shown"


I just want to add an example to show what I dont understand in the relation bewteen Searcher conclusion and researchs, consider the example :

Researchs have shown that dinosaurs existed billions of years before human walked on earth. Christians believe that God created earth and putted every living creatures in 7 days on it.

Here clearly Christian don't care about dinosaurs researches even if they started to believe in what they believe BEFORE the actual researchs on dinosaurs. Why in the statement should we assume that .

an other example without contradiction btw first and second sentence :

Researchs have shown that dinosaurs existed billions of years before human walked on earth. Mika doesn't believe in god and think that every dinosaurs were purple with yellow stains.

Maybe Mika doesnt believe in god because he thinks that free will is uncompatible omniscient god and by the way he have an opinion on dinosaur's colour but none of this is related to the researches on dinosaurs.

Sorry for my unclear question.

John


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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:12 am 
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hi - wow, your post has a lot of words. i will do my best to address what i think are the main queries.

jonathanc wrote:
I dont know how we can actually consider that the searcher used these research as a premise, instead it is more logical to think that if the study show something then it is the conclusion of the searchers who made them...


nope.

there's a VERY important distinction at work here:
* studies show facts. (this is what studies do - they show facts. they may find patterns in other facts, but those patterns are still ... facts)
* CONCLUSIONS are CLAIMS, never facts.
facts don't need arguments at all, so an "argument" whose conclusion consisted of facts would be wholly superfluous.


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NOTHING tell us that the searcher actually knew or used these study before reaching the conclusion stated in the second sentence...


here you are right, in a certain manner of speaking, but also somewhat misguided.

you are right in that the passage should probably mention that the researchers used the study.
on the other hand, you should be LOOKING FOR THE CONNECTIONS between the statements in a question like this one. this is an analyze argument problem, which depends upon your being able to recognize points of connection among disparate statements. so, look for those points of connection!

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I just want to add an example to show what I dont understand in the relation bewteen Searcher conclusion and researchs, consider the example :

Researchs have shown that dinosaurs existed billions of years before human walked on earth. Christians believe that God created earth and putted every living creatures in 7 days on it.

...

an other example without contradiction btw first and second sentence :

Researchs have shown that dinosaurs existed billions of years before human walked on earth. Mika doesn't believe in god and think that every dinosaurs were purple with yellow stains.


these sorts of things won't happen in a single, unitary CR passage. they just won't. you will NOT have a single paragraph containing statements that are mutually exclusive.

you may see this in the "2 different arguments" context, though. for instance, you may get
A: Dinosaurs have been around for billions of years.
B: Not true. Dinosaurs were created by God eight thousand years ago, along with everything else.

in this case, you would then explicitly be called upon to analyze the interplay between these two.


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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:14 pm 
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Ron, I had the same question come up in my CAT but with different set of options.

A) The first is a theory held by certain researchers; the second proves the truth of that theory.
B) The first is an explanation of why a certain theory is thought to be true; the second is an example of research results that support this theory.
C) The first introduces an example illustrating the truth of a certain theory; the second is an alternate theory.
D) The first is an observation that researchers hold to be true; the second provides evidence to substantiate the researchers’ explanation for that observation.
E) The first demonstrates a cause-effect relationship discovered by the researchers; the second is the basis for the researchers’ argument.

The correct answer is D, but I wonder why option A cant be correct.

Isnt boldface1 a theory and boldface2 proving the truth of that theory.
What is the distinction between a "Theory" and an "Observation".

Thanking you in advance,
Roshin


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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:06 pm 
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Hi Roshin,
A theory and an observation are two separate things.

An observation: I have noticed that my cat meows when I take out her food.

A theory: I believe that she sees the food and becomes excited about eating, causing her to meow.

An observation is simply noting that something is occurring. A theory is an attempt to explain the phenomenon that we are noticing. I hope that this helps!

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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:12 pm 
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e)The first introduces a theory that the researchers have disproved; the second is the basis for the researchers’ argument.

answer explanation for why this is incorrect is:

The first boldface does not demonstrate a cause-effect relationship; rather, it represents two pieces of data which are merely correlated.

having a bit of trouble trying to differentiate causation/correlation..

especially since the question said "studies demonstrated". i felt that if they "demonstrated" something, it is more than just "presenting" two sets of data?

i completely agree that D is correct, i just was stuck between D/E

thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:31 am 
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are you asking a question here?

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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:33 pm 
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tim wrote:
are you asking a question here?


Sorry Tim my post was cryptic. In any case I think I know the answer now, thanks for responding though.


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 Post subject: Re: CR : Studies have shown that people who keep daily
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:03 pm 
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no worries. let us know if you have any further questions on this one..

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