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 Post subject: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:51 am 
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Officials of the Youth Hockey League and parents of players in the league have become concerned with the number of flagrant fouls occurring during league games. This past season, the number of flagrant fouls was double the number from the season before. League officials plan to reduce the number of such fouls during the coming season by implementing mandatory suspensions for players who commit flagrant fouls.

Which of the following statements, if true, provides the best evidence that the officials’ plan will be effective?


A-Most serious injuries occurring during league games are a direct result of flagrant fouls.

B-League referees have been trained to recognize flagrant fouls and to report incidents involving such fouls.

C-Parents of players in the league are in support of mandatory suspensions for flagrant fouls.

D-A similar league suspends players for committing flagrant fouls; this league has a relatively low incidence of flagrant fouls when compared with the Youth Hockey League.

E-Most players in the league strive to be selected for the All-Star team, and league rules state that no player with a record of suspension shall be selected for the All-Star team.








OA is E.


Question: Why not B?
The answer explaination states: While the referees’ effectiveness in recognizing and reporting flagrant fouls will surely aid in the implementation of the new policy, this has no bearing on whether the policy will deter players from committing flagrant fouls.

My thinking: If referees do not have the ability to discern what a flagrant foul is, there will be no way that the plan can be effective.

Furthermore: the explanation for answer choice E: If players want to make the All-Star team, and if a record of suspension precludes these players from being selected for the team, then players are less likely to commit fouls that will lead to suspensions.

This statement is dependent on whether referees can tell whether a flagrant foul was made. If they cannot, then the kids won't be punished if they commit flagrant fouls.

Please help me figure out where my thinking is wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:39 am 
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Hi Milanproda,

The argument does not talk about flagrant fouls not being reported correctly by the referees. The statistic is already there that there were twice as many fouls this year than the last.

While its true that League referees need to be trained to report the fouls but is that giving enough reasons to the players to not commit the fouls?

Choice B is not a bad one but in the presence of choice E, it is less favorable. Answer E is giving the players a good reason not to and thereby aiding the officials' plan

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Sunil


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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:59 pm 
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I see what you are saying, BUT if the referee cannot tell if a foul is flagrant, then there is no incentive for the players NOT to committ flagrant fouls. The rule that "you wont be on the all star team if you commit flagrant fouls" won't hold ANY weight if the judge (in this case the ref) cannot tell if the foul is flagrant or not.

Without the refs ability to judge, the arguement falls in the water.

Bear with my bad analogy:

A recently passed law requires that Company A stop spilling large amounts of acid into the nearby lake. Inspectors will routinely come by the lake and check for the chemical that Company used to spill. If the inspectors find a a high level of acid, Company A will pay a substantial fee.

What good is the threat if the inspectors cannot tell how much acid is in the lake?



This is a strengthen the argument question, so maybe underlying assumptions are not as important. But either way, the argument cannot work without the refs.


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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:13 am 
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Hey,

I understand your point. But you are mixing an assumption type question with a strengthen type question. The flagrant fouls argument is a strengthen type question whereas your argument is an assumption type. I can rephrase the flagrant fouls question stem as:

Which of the following statements provides the strongest reason to expect that the officials' plan will succeed?

Strengthen the conclusion questions work slightly differently from assumption questions. If you read the CR guide, pg 113 (4th Edition) - its the 1st page of the Strengthen the Conclusion chapter. I will quote the book:

"Note that this is different from finding an assumption in that an assumption will be necessary for a conclusion to follow from the premises. A premise can strengthen or support a conclusion without being necessary for that conclusion."

If you read on there is more explanation.

Your analogy is based more on the assumption type.

Hope this helps

Regards

Sunil


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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:29 am 
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Thanks for the advice Sunil, that makes sense, and is definitely why I am wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:47 am 
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Great advice Sunil! :-)

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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 3:20 am 
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Nice explanation sunil.. thnx!


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 Post subject: Re: CR: Flagrant Fouls
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 10:30 pm 
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